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Re: Avi/Min scalius Send a noteboard - 28/04/2011 09:48:01 PM
Many of the relationships in WoT have no build-up, are ridiculously one-sided, and would be completely unworkable in real life. Take Rand and his ladies, for example. The only one who got even a bit of foreshadowing was Elayne, and that was limited to one single week of kissing in corners. Most people here in our world wouldn't even call that a relationship in their freshman year of highschool. Then after that single week, they separated for nearly a year, and the very next time they saw each other they got married. Right. The other ladies didn't even get that much foreshadowing; Min was treated like a stranger and Aviendha as an enemy, until both said "oh btw let's get married." Avi has some standing of her own and doesn't necessarily need Rand for social status, but Min is basically riding his coat tails. Similar to how Gawyn has limited standing on his own (he's the first prince of the sword, but that's basically a glorified general, whose role Birgitte has filled, and Elayne is getting on just fine without him); his attachment to Egwene, and more generally to the Tower, is the only thing that actually makes him matter.


I think you're shorting both Avi and Min here. Rand and Avi had, by WoT standards, a long courtship and period of growth together. They covered nearly all aspects of a relationship before a moment of intensity (the far snows) finally cemented their feelings. Even after that, it took still more time for anything close to normalcy to develop, and yet still at the end of ToM the relationship continues to evolve.

As for Min, you also find a long courtship (again by WoT standards) and it took Min a long time to bring Rand around. For much of their early relationship, Min was just a "little sister" to Rand. She had to work pretty hard to win him over. And from her perspective, you have to keep in mind her viewings and the fact that she new from the very beginning that she would fall in love with him. A weird thing to grasp, but it was right in front of her from the start. Rand took a long time to develop and come to terms with his feelings for her, largely through her own actions.

I think both of these relationships had the most build-up of any in WoT.
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Egwene vs. Gawyn (ToM spoilers of course) - 28/04/2011 05:01:46 AM 4133 Views
There's fifty feet of crap between rock bottom and your post... *NM* - 28/04/2011 07:40:04 AM 506 Views
Almost three days since the last post...at least I'm trying. - 28/04/2011 12:17:59 PM 1022 Views
Sorry about that... - 28/04/2011 10:58:50 PM 1081 Views
Ah, its always good to see a good Egwene rant. Bravo! NM *NM* - 28/04/2011 01:58:46 PM 743 Views
Great work, Cannoli - 28/04/2011 02:09:28 PM 1035 Views
Regarding the mother's permission.... - 28/04/2011 07:26:29 PM 1102 Views
while i agree with you on most of this - 28/04/2011 04:53:06 PM 1164 Views
hmpf, i post a good point and nothing - 28/04/2011 11:09:53 PM 934 Views
Everybody agrees with you, that's why there were no replies *NM* - 28/04/2011 11:29:13 PM 493 Views
Here's a scary thought - 28/04/2011 11:54:50 PM 1250 Views
OMGWTFBBQ!? - 28/04/2011 11:58:37 PM 975 Views
you could say the same about a lot of the relationships in this series - 28/04/2011 04:59:19 PM 1122 Views
Re: Avi/Min - 28/04/2011 09:48:01 PM 1066 Views
In regards to the letters... - 28/04/2011 05:28:13 PM 1212 Views
But Gawyn was not Egwene's subject - 28/04/2011 06:09:31 PM 1014 Views
Which was why I thought it was appropriate, since he meant to act as Egwene's Warder. - 28/04/2011 06:19:53 PM 973 Views
The only issue is that Warders are not minions - they are honored junior partners. - 28/04/2011 07:39:18 PM 1138 Views
No, the junior partners are Accepted. Warders are essentially personal bodyguards and/or assistants. - 28/04/2011 08:00:17 PM 938 Views
Marriage - 28/04/2011 08:27:53 PM 952 Views
Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical - 28/04/2011 09:32:22 PM 1186 Views
Here's the thing though... - 28/04/2011 11:20:32 PM 988 Views
No, but it's cute and quirky when Faile does it. - 29/04/2011 03:06:50 PM 1150 Views
But... - 29/04/2011 10:52:03 PM 944 Views
That's not really clear - 29/04/2011 11:41:20 PM 1078 Views
Actually, it is... - 30/04/2011 06:37:42 PM 1107 Views
Re: Actually, it is... - 30/04/2011 11:17:21 PM 975 Views
Didn't Siuan, Gareth and Gawyn tell her about the Bloodknife they encountered? - 02/05/2011 02:33:08 PM 984 Views
It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:10:23 PM 1286 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:25:31 PM 1211 Views
thumbs up to you both *NM* - 28/04/2011 08:45:51 PM 480 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:46:37 PM 1106 Views
Galad is a great option for a political marriage - 28/04/2011 09:04:46 PM 979 Views
Yes, but... - 28/04/2011 09:40:39 PM 1010 Views
but galad knew nothing of berelain's closeness to rand, so that couldn't have affected anything - 28/04/2011 10:12:23 PM 1053 Views
Exactly - 28/04/2011 10:27:04 PM 911 Views
Yes. An often overlooked point is that ELAYNE, not Egwene, gains the most power in ToM - 28/04/2011 09:42:43 PM 1365 Views
Except... - 28/04/2011 11:16:25 PM 1010 Views
Well... - 29/04/2011 12:14:42 AM 974 Views
Re: Well... - 29/04/2011 08:39:37 AM 933 Views
Except they're both really hot. - 28/04/2011 10:01:46 PM 1157 Views
They were naive - 28/04/2011 11:10:34 PM 952 Views
Re: They were naive - 29/04/2011 03:18:42 PM 1244 Views
I can only quibble; Egwene became so insufferable in ToM I'm convinced her fate will be unpleasant. - 04/05/2011 12:41:53 AM 1149 Views
Siuan... - 04/05/2011 05:42:59 AM 1119 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. - 07/05/2011 03:35:46 AM 993 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. - 12/05/2011 02:13:08 PM 971 Views
"McClellanesque", eh? I'll have to remember that one. - 16/05/2011 12:12:23 AM 1249 Views

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