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Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT redqueen Send a noteboard - 28/04/2011 08:46:37 PM
I believe he gave a token protest when they first talked about Egwene bonding him, but Egwene blew it off, and that was good enough for Gawyn (I belive her justification was something like "well, if your sister can be an Aes Sedai, you can be a Warder," which does nothing to address the conflict of interest/duties such a situation would bring). But yeah, I always wondered about why Gawyn would blow off the duties he spent most of his life being prepared for with barely a second thought. If this were any other relationship in the series, Gawyn's position in Andor would be a source or problems and compromise for the two of them, but instead...Egwene wants him to be the most subservient Warder in the history of the universe, and you KNOW he'll end up being just that 8}


That's even worse :( I was hoping it had been some sort of authorial oversight. Damn.

Re Elayne and Gawyn - it isn't at all the same thing. The status of Aes Sedai is a membership to an organisation; it doesn't come with automatic responsibilities, save that they're expected to work for the good of the Tower in whatever they do. Elayne's dual status will create problems, but it will also be of benefit to Andor. If nothing else, it helps balance out the presence of the Black Tower a stone's-throw from her capital, which any other monarch would be crapping bricks over.

A Warder is not an Aes Sedai - he is a servant. Important and valuable, yes, but still dedicated to serving one woman to the exclusion of all else. Kinda like Selucia, actually. Neither service is the type you can leave if circumstances change, or take time off from if you're needed elsewhere. When he took the bond Gawyn forsook all his other duties, apparently with only a token thought of protest. Appalling.

Though re their life together - BS has confirmed that Egwene's viewing of Gawyn's two paths - long life or violent death - has been resolved. It amuses me to think that by choosing the bond, he's actually chosen the violent death, though neither knows it yet. Maybe the next Seanchan attack will be a crushing victory, all the Aes Sedai will be collared or killed, the Tower will be razed to the ground, and Gawyn will die when he tries to free Egwene, only to find she's been damane-brainwashed and tears him to bits.

Hm. Morbid ;)

I wish, but RJ would be spinning in his grave if his pet character was given anything less than the happy ending she supposedly deserves.

God, I'm bitter :P


Arg, really, his favourite? Damn it. So much for my 'the Tower will be destroyed and a sane collection of little channeling organisations will replace it' hope.
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Egwene vs. Gawyn (ToM spoilers of course) Cannoli - 28/04/2011 05:01:46 AM 3918 Views
There's fifty feet of crap between rock bottom and your post... *NM* fionwe1987 - 28/04/2011 07:40:04 AM 461 Views
Almost three days since the last post...at least I'm trying. Cannoli - 28/04/2011 12:17:59 PM 916 Views
What is to discuss here? You hate Egwene and will spin anything to put her in a negative light darius_sedai - 28/04/2011 12:59:58 PM 973 Views
As a complete outsider w/ no dog in this fight.... scalius - 28/04/2011 04:06:39 PM 1020 Views
Who said anything about him not presenting his argument well? darius_sedai - 29/04/2011 03:20:46 PM 1002 Views
Puns are pointless if the whole word is censored. *sigh* Cannoli - 28/04/2011 06:18:11 PM 1179 Views
But he's so good at it. all the pieces are in there and close to the right place... like a picasso. Onarishma - 03/05/2011 12:51:54 AM 942 Views
Sorry about that... fionwe1987 - 28/04/2011 10:58:50 PM 978 Views
I'd say there's no need to take it so seriously when there's so few posts lately. You should see newyorkersedai - 28/04/2011 05:59:19 PM 880 Views
Ah, its always good to see a good Egwene rant. Bravo! NM *NM* AshaShan - 28/04/2011 01:58:46 PM 703 Views
Great work, Cannoli Zeratul - 28/04/2011 02:09:28 PM 937 Views
Regarding the mother's permission.... Cannoli - 28/04/2011 07:26:29 PM 1000 Views
while i agree with you on most of this Yunalesca - 28/04/2011 04:53:06 PM 1064 Views
hmpf, i post a good point and nothing Yunalesca - 28/04/2011 11:09:53 PM 844 Views
Everybody agrees with you, that's why there were no replies *NM* Zeratul - 28/04/2011 11:29:13 PM 453 Views
Here's a scary thought redqueen - 28/04/2011 11:54:50 PM 1144 Views
OMGWTFBBQ!? Yunalesca - 28/04/2011 11:58:37 PM 899 Views
you could say the same about a lot of the relationships in this series Ava - 28/04/2011 04:59:19 PM 1015 Views
I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series ßelals Girl - 28/04/2011 08:15:52 PM 1059 Views
Re: I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series Ava - 29/04/2011 06:55:14 PM 894 Views
Re: Avi/Min scalius - 28/04/2011 09:48:01 PM 970 Views
A courtship where one side doesn't realize they are courting.... Ava - 29/04/2011 07:09:36 PM 836 Views
In regards to the letters... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/04/2011 05:28:13 PM 1103 Views
But Gawyn was not Egwene's subject Zeratul - 28/04/2011 06:09:31 PM 920 Views
Which was why I thought it was appropriate, since he meant to act as Egwene's Warder. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/04/2011 06:19:53 PM 884 Views
The only issue is that Warders are not minions - they are honored junior partners. Cannoli - 28/04/2011 07:39:18 PM 1039 Views
No, the junior partners are Accepted. Warders are essentially personal bodyguards and/or assistants. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/04/2011 08:00:17 PM 837 Views
Marriage redqueen - 28/04/2011 08:27:53 PM 860 Views
Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical Cannoli - 28/04/2011 09:32:22 PM 1059 Views
Here's the thing though... fionwe1987 - 28/04/2011 11:20:32 PM 889 Views
No, but it's cute and quirky when Faile does it. Cannoli - 29/04/2011 03:06:50 PM 1054 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 29/04/2011 10:52:03 PM 848 Views
That's not really clear Zeratul - 29/04/2011 11:41:20 PM 980 Views
Actually, it is... fionwe1987 - 30/04/2011 06:37:42 PM 992 Views
Re: Actually, it is... urizen - 30/04/2011 11:17:21 PM 875 Views
Didn't Siuan, Gareth and Gawyn tell her about the Bloodknife they encountered? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/05/2011 02:33:08 PM 877 Views
Re: Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/04/2011 11:36:24 PM 898 Views
My two cents: yes, a little, maybe, and possibly not. newyorkersedai - 28/04/2011 06:05:09 PM 1026 Views
Regarding your reference to another Emond's Fielder: What are you talking about? Cannoli - 28/04/2011 09:06:13 PM 883 Views
both together, couldn't separate them in my mind - perrin's evasiveness or nyn's trickiness *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/04/2011 10:16:57 PM 470 Views
It isn't the worst romance in WoT redqueen - 28/04/2011 08:10:23 PM 1188 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT ßelals Girl - 28/04/2011 08:25:31 PM 1104 Views
thumbs up to you both *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/04/2011 08:45:51 PM 434 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT redqueen - 28/04/2011 08:46:37 PM 1003 Views
Galad is a great option for a political marriage Zeratul - 28/04/2011 09:04:46 PM 873 Views
Yes, but... redqueen - 28/04/2011 09:40:39 PM 915 Views
but galad knew nothing of berelain's closeness to rand, so that couldn't have affected anything mazza3 - 28/04/2011 10:12:23 PM 949 Views
Exactly redqueen - 28/04/2011 10:27:04 PM 794 Views
Yes. An often overlooked point is that ELAYNE, not Egwene, gains the most power in ToM Cannoli - 28/04/2011 09:42:43 PM 1249 Views
Except... fionwe1987 - 28/04/2011 11:16:25 PM 912 Views
Well... redqueen - 29/04/2011 12:14:42 AM 862 Views
Re: Well... fionwe1987 - 29/04/2011 08:39:37 AM 846 Views
Except they're both really hot. Cannoli - 28/04/2011 10:01:46 PM 1047 Views
They were naive redqueen - 28/04/2011 11:10:34 PM 874 Views
Re: They were naive Cannoli - 29/04/2011 03:18:42 PM 1113 Views
I can only quibble; Egwene became so insufferable in ToM I'm convinced her fate will be unpleasant. Joel - 04/05/2011 12:41:53 AM 1011 Views
Siuan... fionwe1987 - 04/05/2011 05:42:59 AM 1015 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. Joel - 07/05/2011 03:35:46 AM 890 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. Cannoli - 12/05/2011 02:13:08 PM 877 Views
"McClellanesque", eh? I'll have to remember that one. Joel - 16/05/2011 12:12:23 AM 1152 Views
Good points all round (do you switch brains when getting into real world politics? ) & re: the Talk Cannoli - 12/05/2011 02:04:06 PM 831 Views
I remember being blindsided by "The Talk" in tSR beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 05:04:08 PM 843 Views
Thanks, (and no, you just become less and less astute as we move farther from fiction. ) Joel - 15/05/2011 11:46:41 PM 1189 Views
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