I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series
ßelals Girl Send a noteboard - 28/04/2011 08:15:52 PM
But the whole Egwene/Gawyn "relationship" sees to stand out even among these.
Most of the characters had at least some "courting" time with their love interests before that love was declared, and even more underdeveloped cases, like Rand and Elayne, had "it was fated to be" to fall back on (which isn't as satisfying as a developed romance, but is at least a valid reason for one in a story where fate plays such a heavy role). Egwene and Gawyn...didn't. She goes from being engaged to Rand to lusting after Galad to...being madly in love with Gawyn. With no reason for it except for that creepy dream she got pulled into...and even that isn't really an excuse, since a dream like that would need some preexisting feelings for the other person in order to make it pleasurable, otherwise it would technically be like some sort of rape).
And most of the relationships in the series also have to involve a lot of compromise, given that they are between very powerful and/or important people with lots of obligations and often many cultural differences as well. And while I've often complained that it seems to be the men who do most of the compromising, I can't deny that most of the women have to do some as well. But not Egwene. Nope, Gawyn comes pre-whipped, and her only problems with him involve him not being whipped enough and the things she'll have to do to make him so. And you know in the end, she'll be sucessful, and this will be portrayed by the story as a good thing, and they'll have a happy relationship for the rest of their lives.
Which of course, irks me to no end, because Egwene is one of the most ruthless, single-minded "good guys" in the series, and one of the least altruistic, and yet she doesn't have to pay nearly the price the other characters have to pay for their ruthless and single-minded actions, even though they may be forced into them for the greater good far more often than Egwene is. Yet they have to suffer (often romantically) for these actions, and pay the price dictated by fate, and yet you KNOW Egwene is going to end the series with all the power and respect, a loving relationship with a perfectly whipped husband, and the love and loyalty of all her "friends," despite her treatment of them, while the other characters may or may not be left to twist in the wind.
Blaugh! God I hate that character!
Most of the characters had at least some "courting" time with their love interests before that love was declared, and even more underdeveloped cases, like Rand and Elayne, had "it was fated to be" to fall back on (which isn't as satisfying as a developed romance, but is at least a valid reason for one in a story where fate plays such a heavy role). Egwene and Gawyn...didn't. She goes from being engaged to Rand to lusting after Galad to...being madly in love with Gawyn. With no reason for it except for that creepy dream she got pulled into...and even that isn't really an excuse, since a dream like that would need some preexisting feelings for the other person in order to make it pleasurable, otherwise it would technically be like some sort of rape).
And most of the relationships in the series also have to involve a lot of compromise, given that they are between very powerful and/or important people with lots of obligations and often many cultural differences as well. And while I've often complained that it seems to be the men who do most of the compromising, I can't deny that most of the women have to do some as well. But not Egwene. Nope, Gawyn comes pre-whipped, and her only problems with him involve him not being whipped enough and the things she'll have to do to make him so. And you know in the end, she'll be sucessful, and this will be portrayed by the story as a good thing, and they'll have a happy relationship for the rest of their lives.
Which of course, irks me to no end, because Egwene is one of the most ruthless, single-minded "good guys" in the series, and one of the least altruistic, and yet she doesn't have to pay nearly the price the other characters have to pay for their ruthless and single-minded actions, even though they may be forced into them for the greater good far more often than Egwene is. Yet they have to suffer (often romantically) for these actions, and pay the price dictated by fate, and yet you KNOW Egwene is going to end the series with all the power and respect, a loving relationship with a perfectly whipped husband, and the love and loyalty of all her "friends," despite her treatment of them, while the other characters may or may not be left to twist in the wind.
Blaugh! God I hate that character!
Egwene vs. Gawyn (ToM spoilers of course)
28/04/2011 05:01:46 AM
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There's fifty feet of crap between rock bottom and your post... *NM*
28/04/2011 07:40:04 AM
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Almost three days since the last post...at least I'm trying.
28/04/2011 12:17:59 PM
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What is to discuss here? You hate Egwene and will spin anything to put her in a negative light
28/04/2011 12:59:58 PM
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But he's so good at it. all the pieces are in there and close to the right place... like a picasso.
03/05/2011 12:51:54 AM
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I'd say there's no need to take it so seriously when there's so few posts lately. You should see
28/04/2011 05:59:19 PM
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while i agree with you on most of this
28/04/2011 04:53:06 PM
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hmpf, i post a good point and nothing
28/04/2011 11:09:53 PM
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you could say the same about a lot of the relationships in this series
28/04/2011 04:59:19 PM
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I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series
28/04/2011 08:15:52 PM
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Re: I agree there are plenty of underdeveloped and somewhat one-sided relationships in the series
29/04/2011 06:55:14 PM
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In regards to the letters...
28/04/2011 05:28:13 PM
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But Gawyn was not Egwene's subject
28/04/2011 06:09:31 PM
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Which was why I thought it was appropriate, since he meant to act as Egwene's Warder.
28/04/2011 06:19:53 PM
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The only issue is that Warders are not minions - they are honored junior partners.
28/04/2011 07:39:18 PM
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No, the junior partners are Accepted. Warders are essentially personal bodyguards and/or assistants.
28/04/2011 08:00:17 PM
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Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical
28/04/2011 09:32:22 PM
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Here's the thing though...
28/04/2011 11:20:32 PM
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No, but it's cute and quirky when Faile does it.
29/04/2011 03:06:50 PM
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But...
29/04/2011 10:52:03 PM
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That's not really clear
29/04/2011 11:41:20 PM
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Actually, it is...
30/04/2011 06:37:42 PM
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Re: Actually, it is...
30/04/2011 11:17:21 PM
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Didn't Siuan, Gareth and Gawyn tell her about the Bloodknife they encountered?
02/05/2011 02:33:08 PM
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Re: Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical
28/04/2011 11:36:24 PM
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My two cents: yes, a little, maybe, and possibly not.
28/04/2011 06:05:09 PM
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Regarding your reference to another Emond's Fielder: What are you talking about?
28/04/2011 09:06:13 PM
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both together, couldn't separate them in my mind - perrin's evasiveness or nyn's trickiness *NM*
28/04/2011 10:16:57 PM
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It isn't the worst romance in WoT
28/04/2011 08:10:23 PM
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Galad is a great option for a political marriage
28/04/2011 09:04:46 PM
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Yes, but...
28/04/2011 09:40:39 PM
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but galad knew nothing of berelain's closeness to rand, so that couldn't have affected anything
28/04/2011 10:12:23 PM
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Yes. An often overlooked point is that ELAYNE, not Egwene, gains the most power in ToM
28/04/2011 09:42:43 PM
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Except they're both really hot.
28/04/2011 10:01:46 PM
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I can only quibble; Egwene became so insufferable in ToM I'm convinced her fate will be unpleasant.
04/05/2011 12:41:53 AM
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Siuan...
04/05/2011 05:42:59 AM
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Re: Siuan screwed up big time.
07/05/2011 03:35:46 AM
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Good points all round (do you switch brains when getting into real world politics? ) & re: the Talk
12/05/2011 02:04:06 PM
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Thanks, (and no, you just become less and less astute as we move farther from fiction. )
15/05/2011 11:46:41 PM
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