I don't think that Demandred will be a key player at the end with Rand
Sidious Send a noteboard - 20/09/2009 01:00:58 PM
Demandred has been shown to be extremely observant. He noted Graendal's overreaction to the Choeden Kal revelation in Winter's Heart, and based on that made the connection that it was in fact no surprise to her.
He also noticed the plain gold ring on her little finger, and based on the fact that it was not consistent with the flashy nature of her other jewelry, made the connection that it was likely an angreal or other threat of some kind.
He also reasoned out Rand's plan at Shadar Logoth as soon as he became aware of the location at which the Choeden Kal were being used. None of the others displayed such a level of understanding at the time.
Graendal noted Moridin's flexing hand when he spoke of Semirhage, but did not grasp its deeper significance. If she noticed it, Demandred assuredly noticed it as well.
Additionally, Demandred knows exactly what took place when Semirhage was captured, down to the bolt of fire described by Mesaana, and no doubt he knows about Rand's loss of a hand as a result.
So the question is: Did Demandred connect Moridin's phantom pain to Rand's loss of a hand? Did he understand this to be the basis for Moridin's anger with Semirhage?
And if he made the connection - can he use this to his advantage? Perhaps he is now thinking along the lines of killing two birds with one stone when he destroys Rand?
For the record, I think Demandred WILL kill Rand. His single minded obsession in this regard has been built up too much for anything other than such a confrontation to take place.
Might this cost the Shadow its victory, when Moridin dies along with Rand, only for Rand to somehow survive by being transposed/transmogrified/translocated to a new body, as has been hinted at before?
We know Moridin won't kill Rand, because then he will die along with him. Alivia also needs to be involved somehow, but the anti-climax would be extreme if Demandred is not part of the equation during this pivotal event. It is the single most important reason he is even in the series. To kill Lews Therin, somehow.
He also noticed the plain gold ring on her little finger, and based on the fact that it was not consistent with the flashy nature of her other jewelry, made the connection that it was likely an angreal or other threat of some kind.
He also reasoned out Rand's plan at Shadar Logoth as soon as he became aware of the location at which the Choeden Kal were being used. None of the others displayed such a level of understanding at the time.
Graendal noted Moridin's flexing hand when he spoke of Semirhage, but did not grasp its deeper significance. If she noticed it, Demandred assuredly noticed it as well.
Additionally, Demandred knows exactly what took place when Semirhage was captured, down to the bolt of fire described by Mesaana, and no doubt he knows about Rand's loss of a hand as a result.
So the question is: Did Demandred connect Moridin's phantom pain to Rand's loss of a hand? Did he understand this to be the basis for Moridin's anger with Semirhage?
And if he made the connection - can he use this to his advantage? Perhaps he is now thinking along the lines of killing two birds with one stone when he destroys Rand?
For the record, I think Demandred WILL kill Rand. His single minded obsession in this regard has been built up too much for anything other than such a confrontation to take place.
Might this cost the Shadow its victory, when Moridin dies along with Rand, only for Rand to somehow survive by being transposed/transmogrified/translocated to a new body, as has been hinted at before?
We know Moridin won't kill Rand, because then he will die along with him. Alivia also needs to be involved somehow, but the anti-climax would be extreme if Demandred is not part of the equation during this pivotal event. It is the single most important reason he is even in the series. To kill Lews Therin, somehow.
Demandred is going to lead a large army, and fight in the Final Battle as a general, but he's probably going to die by someone else's hand - my own personal opinion is it will either be Mat who kills him, or Logain. Demandred's theme is treachery to achieve greatness, and RJ will deny him that. There's almost no chance that Demandred will rise above his personality flaw and his inability to beat Lews Therin. RJ never rewards the Forsaken.
I think the stage has been adequately set up for Moridin and Rand to meet and fight. The Final Battle is about the two champions of the Light and Shadow meeting - there's really no place for the other Forsaken.
Even if Demandred did meet Rand, he'd be annihilated. Rand is the most powerful and dangerous man in the world. He can't be defeated. Even Moridin is going to lose to him.
Wheel of Time board admin
Fan of Lanfear
Fan of Lanfear
TGS Prologue - your thoughts (part 2) *spoilers*
16/09/2009 04:55:21 AM
- 3268 Views
Where can i find it at? Can someone give me a link? *NM*
18/09/2009 02:21:10 AM
- 214 Views
mobipocket.com
18/09/2009 02:53:13 AM
- 667 Views
Thanks, It was interesting especially the last part of the prologue *NM*
20/09/2009 02:42:28 AM
- 265 Views
A pointless survey - take your guess at who wrote what of the Prologue
18/09/2009 01:30:24 PM
- 568 Views
Re: A pointless survey - take your guess at who wrote what of the Prologue
18/09/2009 07:08:43 PM
- 442 Views
The prologue gives us strong evidence that Graendal is weaker than Demi or Semi
18/09/2009 03:55:58 PM
- 646 Views
I'm a little surprised nobody is discussing this. I thought this would get more attention. *NM*
20/09/2009 09:17:57 PM
- 318 Views
Is it me or do the Forsaken seem more viscious?
18/09/2009 04:17:22 PM
- 636 Views
yep, leaner and meaner...except for mesaana-she's still twitchy after shadar haran *NM*
18/09/2009 05:09:29 PM
- 316 Views
Trollocs!
18/09/2009 05:35:12 PM
- 639 Views
Why not a gray man then?
18/09/2009 07:52:55 PM
- 654 Views
Because they wanted to destroy as much of the force as possible
19/09/2009 12:07:57 AM
- 523 Views
But there's no plausible deniability
19/09/2009 12:50:42 AM
- 571 Views
But even several grey men or slayer aren't going to get the deed done
19/09/2009 02:28:36 AM
- 595 Views
Who is Graendal going to wack?
18/09/2009 06:00:12 PM
- 600 Views
I think it could be Tam. *NM*
18/09/2009 06:05:12 PM
- 282 Views
Great idea.
18/09/2009 07:12:40 PM
- 558 Views
Its about time for Perrin to reunite with Rand he's got Faile back
18/09/2009 08:15:47 PM
- 538 Views
Re: Its about time for Perrin to reunite with Rand he's got Faile back
18/09/2009 10:41:12 PM
- 550 Views
Mesaana's statement gives us a big clue about Demandred's and Moridin's whereabouts
18/09/2009 09:11:49 PM
- 694 Views
My favorite quote: "Who will win? The child or the fool?" - Graendal
18/09/2009 09:48:55 PM
- 655 Views
but she didn't say 'the fool or the fool'
19/09/2009 02:07:20 PM
- 559 Views
Yes, because Cannoli has long valued the opinions of the Forsaken...
20/09/2009 06:10:58 AM
- 618 Views
Forsaken Chapter
18/09/2009 10:30:10 PM
- 620 Views
I agree that Graendal will die in this book.... her and A'rangar *NM*
19/09/2009 08:14:07 AM
- 259 Views
Various comments
19/09/2009 05:38:21 PM
- 639 Views
The Dying Man
19/09/2009 06:48:09 PM
- 581 Views
After a reread I think I know who sent the Trollocs
19/09/2009 08:28:08 PM
- 546 Views
Another reason why Moridin is not Taim
19/09/2009 08:41:03 PM
- 530 Views
This isn't evidence.
19/09/2009 08:51:54 PM
- 643 Views
It isn't evidence, but it is another perspective to add to the table
19/09/2009 09:11:15 PM
- 439 Views
Why is Moridin and not Demandred marshalling the Dark Forces in the Blight?
19/09/2009 10:35:06 PM
- 526 Views
I think there are many issues here
19/09/2009 10:51:13 PM
- 634 Views
The Malign Influence of the Forsaken
19/09/2009 11:08:00 PM
- 547 Views
I have doubts about that degree of conversion
19/09/2009 11:17:44 PM
- 484 Views
Re: Why is Moridin and not Demandred marshalling the Dark Forces in the Blight?
20/09/2009 09:44:06 AM
- 619 Views
Did Demandred make the connection between Moridin's phantom hand-pain and Semirhage's firebolt?
20/09/2009 12:11:32 PM
- 632 Views
I don't think that Demandred will be a key player at the end with Rand
20/09/2009 01:00:58 PM
- 590 Views
Some sweeping statements there...
20/09/2009 01:21:46 PM
- 580 Views
Not at all
20/09/2009 03:34:59 PM
- 603 Views
A lot of twisting my words there, and direct contradictions of your own points...
20/09/2009 04:19:57 PM
- 610 Views
Not really
20/09/2009 05:12:42 PM
- 674 Views
I couldn't have summarized it better myself...
20/09/2009 05:25:56 PM
- 500 Views
But...
20/09/2009 06:01:33 PM
- 600 Views
Possible...
20/09/2009 06:08:21 PM
- 512 Views
So that's your argument now?
20/09/2009 07:35:52 PM
- 431 Views
I think you took that the wrong way...
20/09/2009 08:53:28 PM
- 517 Views
Wow, then I think you're in for a surprise
20/09/2009 08:38:37 PM
- 493 Views
Just a general comment...
20/09/2009 09:13:51 PM
- 650 Views
Re: Just a general comment...
20/09/2009 09:59:51 PM
- 1459 Views
I reject the cult of the "cool" villain.
20/09/2009 11:24:40 PM
- 533 Views
I don't really agree
21/09/2009 05:02:10 AM
- 483 Views
But these aren't criminals...
21/09/2009 05:47:40 AM
- 416 Views