I don't know how to quote your original text on this new board, so I'm just going to put the passage in question between quotation marks below:
"you should reread that. She doesn't think he might have been the Dragon himself. She says that HE thinks he might have been. It's also implied she thinks he's deluding himself."
I disagree. If you read it again, it says the following:
"He was a fool to bear that grudge. To think he might have been on the other side—might have become the Dragon himself, had things turned out differently. Still, fool or not, he was extremely dangerous, and Graendal did not like being ignorant of his plans".
That passage starts by conveying the message that Graendal believes it foolish for him to hold such a strong grudge against Lews Therin.
GRAENDAL then reflects on the fact that it is ironic that Demandred holds such strong anti-Lews Therin feelings when he could so easily have been on the side of the Light, and been the Dragon himself, had things only turned out differently. It is GRAENDAL thinking that. It is not Graendal thinking that DEMANDRED holds that view.
Look at the context.
"To think he might have been on the other side."
That is not foolish. He WAS on the other side. That is clearly Graendal reflecting on how easily Demandred could have been on the side of the Light instead of being one of the Chosen. It ties up with what the BWB and Mesaana has said before.
In fact, it almost paraphrases both those sources exactly.
Graendal says Demandred is foolish to hold onto his grudge for so long. She does not say it is foolish to think he might have been the Dragon. In fact, she is actually stating HERSELF that he might have been Dragon.
Unless you believe she also says it is foolish to think he might have been on the side of the Light, which WAS the case and would have continued to be the case if things had turned out differently.
In summary, if you read the passage in context, Graendal clearly acknowledges that Demandred might well have been the Dragon if things had turned out differently.
"you should reread that. She doesn't think he might have been the Dragon himself. She says that HE thinks he might have been. It's also implied she thinks he's deluding himself."
I disagree. If you read it again, it says the following:
"He was a fool to bear that grudge. To think he might have been on the other side—might have become the Dragon himself, had things turned out differently. Still, fool or not, he was extremely dangerous, and Graendal did not like being ignorant of his plans".
That passage starts by conveying the message that Graendal believes it foolish for him to hold such a strong grudge against Lews Therin.
GRAENDAL then reflects on the fact that it is ironic that Demandred holds such strong anti-Lews Therin feelings when he could so easily have been on the side of the Light, and been the Dragon himself, had things only turned out differently. It is GRAENDAL thinking that. It is not Graendal thinking that DEMANDRED holds that view.
Look at the context.
"To think he might have been on the other side."
That is not foolish. He WAS on the other side. That is clearly Graendal reflecting on how easily Demandred could have been on the side of the Light instead of being one of the Chosen. It ties up with what the BWB and Mesaana has said before.
In fact, it almost paraphrases both those sources exactly.
Graendal says Demandred is foolish to hold onto his grudge for so long. She does not say it is foolish to think he might have been the Dragon. In fact, she is actually stating HERSELF that he might have been Dragon.
Unless you believe she also says it is foolish to think he might have been on the side of the Light, which WAS the case and would have continued to be the case if things had turned out differently.
In summary, if you read the passage in context, Graendal clearly acknowledges that Demandred might well have been the Dragon if things had turned out differently.
This message last edited by Shannow on 19/09/2009 at 01:45:53 PM
TGS Prologue - your thoughts (part 2) *spoilers*
16/09/2009 04:55:21 AM
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Where can i find it at? Can someone give me a link? *NM*
18/09/2009 02:21:10 AM
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mobipocket.com
18/09/2009 02:53:13 AM
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Thanks, It was interesting especially the last part of the prologue *NM*
20/09/2009 02:42:28 AM
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A pointless survey - take your guess at who wrote what of the Prologue
18/09/2009 01:30:24 PM
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Re: A pointless survey - take your guess at who wrote what of the Prologue
18/09/2009 07:08:43 PM
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The prologue gives us strong evidence that Graendal is weaker than Demi or Semi
18/09/2009 03:55:58 PM
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I'm a little surprised nobody is discussing this. I thought this would get more attention. *NM*
20/09/2009 09:17:57 PM
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Is it me or do the Forsaken seem more viscious?
18/09/2009 04:17:22 PM
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yep, leaner and meaner...except for mesaana-she's still twitchy after shadar haran *NM*
18/09/2009 05:09:29 PM
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Trollocs!
18/09/2009 05:35:12 PM
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Why not a gray man then?
18/09/2009 07:52:55 PM
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Because they wanted to destroy as much of the force as possible
19/09/2009 12:07:57 AM
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But there's no plausible deniability
19/09/2009 12:50:42 AM
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But even several grey men or slayer aren't going to get the deed done
19/09/2009 02:28:36 AM
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Who is Graendal going to wack?
18/09/2009 06:00:12 PM
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I think it could be Tam. *NM*
18/09/2009 06:05:12 PM
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Great idea.
18/09/2009 07:12:40 PM
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Its about time for Perrin to reunite with Rand he's got Faile back
18/09/2009 08:15:47 PM
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Re: Its about time for Perrin to reunite with Rand he's got Faile back
18/09/2009 10:41:12 PM
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Mesaana's statement gives us a big clue about Demandred's and Moridin's whereabouts
18/09/2009 09:11:49 PM
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My favorite quote: "Who will win? The child or the fool?" - Graendal
18/09/2009 09:48:55 PM
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but she didn't say 'the fool or the fool'
19/09/2009 02:07:20 PM
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Yes, because Cannoli has long valued the opinions of the Forsaken...
20/09/2009 06:10:58 AM
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Forsaken Chapter
18/09/2009 10:30:10 PM
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I agree that Graendal will die in this book.... her and A'rangar *NM*
19/09/2009 08:14:07 AM
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Various comments
19/09/2009 05:38:21 PM
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The Dying Man
19/09/2009 06:48:09 PM
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After a reread I think I know who sent the Trollocs
19/09/2009 08:28:08 PM
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Another reason why Moridin is not Taim
19/09/2009 08:41:03 PM
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This isn't evidence.
19/09/2009 08:51:54 PM
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It isn't evidence, but it is another perspective to add to the table
19/09/2009 09:11:15 PM
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Why is Moridin and not Demandred marshalling the Dark Forces in the Blight?
19/09/2009 10:35:06 PM
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I think there are many issues here
19/09/2009 10:51:13 PM
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The Malign Influence of the Forsaken
19/09/2009 11:08:00 PM
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I have doubts about that degree of conversion
19/09/2009 11:17:44 PM
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Re: Why is Moridin and not Demandred marshalling the Dark Forces in the Blight?
20/09/2009 09:44:06 AM
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Did Demandred make the connection between Moridin's phantom hand-pain and Semirhage's firebolt?
20/09/2009 12:11:32 PM
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I don't think that Demandred will be a key player at the end with Rand
20/09/2009 01:00:58 PM
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Some sweeping statements there...
20/09/2009 01:21:46 PM
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Not at all
20/09/2009 03:34:59 PM
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A lot of twisting my words there, and direct contradictions of your own points...
20/09/2009 04:19:57 PM
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Not really
20/09/2009 05:12:42 PM
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I couldn't have summarized it better myself...
20/09/2009 05:25:56 PM
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But...
20/09/2009 06:01:33 PM
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Possible...
20/09/2009 06:08:21 PM
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So that's your argument now?
20/09/2009 07:35:52 PM
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I think you took that the wrong way...
20/09/2009 08:53:28 PM
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Wow, then I think you're in for a surprise
20/09/2009 08:38:37 PM
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Just a general comment...
20/09/2009 09:13:51 PM
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Re: Just a general comment...
20/09/2009 09:59:51 PM
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I reject the cult of the "cool" villain.
20/09/2009 11:24:40 PM
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I don't really agree
21/09/2009 05:02:10 AM
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But these aren't criminals...
21/09/2009 05:47:40 AM
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