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I guess it's a toss up between Tear, Illian and Amador rAndy aL Send a noteboard - 19/09/2009 12:28:24 PM
...Tylin's accomodation with them is suggested to be the course of wisdom and sensibility, while Beslan's resistance is portrayed as hot-headed foolishness.


That's not really the impression I got from that. Or at the very least, it was a case of Mat being a hypocrite so I'm not going to judge Beslan's portrayal from Mat's thoughts. Or from the girls, if they had any opinions on the matter.

Even Rand al'Thor, the supposed epitome and redeemer of masculine power in the world of WoT has an all-female entourage. The few males he had kept around previously have gone off on their own agendas and missions (in addition to having formally subservient roles to their wives), leaving him alone with Cadsuane, Alivia, Nynaeve and Min. Bashere and Logain are the closest to male henchmen he has left, but they are off doing their leadership things, and Logain bad-mouths Rand to women repeatedly and is the most pro-Aes Sedai male who is not a Warder in the entire series! One might look upon his ridiculous love-life as some sort of male power statement, having three women so desperate for his attention and affection they will even encourage him to indulge himself with the others, but even in a normal relationship, the woman has the man outnumbered: two boobs to one. Rand MIGHT have been able to be the dominant partner in a relationship with one woman. Not a prayer with three.


Actually, that's interesting because the main reason all Rand's male henchmen are doing jobs, but his female henchwomen arn't is because he refuses to send them out. Sure, if they can come up with something to do then he won't stop them, but if Rand wants something done then he goes straight to Mat, Perrin, Bashere or an Ashaman.

All this reinforces the strong theme of female dominance in the world of WoT, of which RJ seems to also being saying: "They have so many advantages normally - look at how insane it gets when we hadn over politics too!"

So with all this in mind? What culture or nation do you see as being the most male-friendly and which one do you see as the most restrictive on women in general (as opposed to customs or laws that restrict specific groups such as female channelers - in other words, I am trying to avoid answers like "The Aiel/Sea Folk/Seanchan are the most restrictive to women because all female channelers are forced to choose the same profession." )?


I guess it's either Tear, Illian or Amador (guess which countries were the least fleshed out:)). Tear has the Farm-girls thing and Amador has witch burning hanging, so I'm assuming it carries over into other parts of daily life. All 3 countries seem to have all-male leadership, which has been portrayed as mostly evil. Definitely one of those 3.
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What do you consider to be the most pro-masculine culture/country in WoT? The most anti-female? - 19/09/2009 07:32:03 AM 1326 Views
I would say Tear. - 19/09/2009 08:08:18 AM 802 Views
I guess it's a toss up between Tear, Illian and Amador - 19/09/2009 12:28:24 PM 745 Views
What about male-only organizations? - 19/09/2009 02:00:55 PM 701 Views
Yeah, Aiel warrior societies. - 19/09/2009 03:44:36 PM 783 Views
Hm, you never do see a female Whitecloak. Do they ever talk about why? - 20/09/2009 04:11:30 PM 743 Views
Distrust of women because they hate channelers, IMHO. - 21/09/2009 03:47:43 AM 780 Views
Sort of the reverse of the attitudes I talked about below - 21/09/2009 07:21:05 PM 621 Views
Yeah, I'd go with the military thing. - 21/09/2009 05:45:47 AM 616 Views
The Asha'man are less prejudiced than the Tower. - 21/09/2009 05:48:43 AM 680 Views
I was taking you seriously - 19/09/2009 03:29:16 PM 689 Views
Amadicia - 19/09/2009 07:28:43 PM 784 Views
I'll go with Amadicia, as well. - 23/09/2009 07:36:10 PM 540 Views
No question. - 19/09/2009 08:43:47 PM 771 Views
The ogier all have masculine features. - 19/09/2009 09:06:14 PM 800 Views
Re: The ogier all have masculine features. - 19/09/2009 11:54:54 PM 648 Views
I'm not sure the Dark One can be called male... - 20/09/2009 12:27:56 AM 701 Views
Re: I'm not sure the Dark One can be called male... - 20/09/2009 06:43:09 AM 879 Views
Re: The ogier all have masculine features. - 25/09/2009 05:25:49 AM 536 Views
Re: The ogier all have masculine features. - 13/10/2009 09:01:27 AM 635 Views
Ahhhh wall of text! Some good points, though - 20/09/2009 04:04:48 PM 681 Views
Do you have anything against paragraphs? *NM* - 20/09/2009 10:03:48 PM 297 Views
White space is space with no words in it. Wasted. *NM* - 21/09/2009 07:10:41 AM 264 Views
Whitespaceisspacewithnowordsinit.Wasted.Thereifixeditforyou. - 01/10/2009 01:55:21 PM 598 Views
I agree, but I also think there is a purpose. - 21/09/2009 03:43:45 AM 620 Views
Oh, I wasn't criticizing this phenomenom, just noting it. - 21/09/2009 06:17:34 AM 715 Views
that's why they deserve 3 male taveren - 21/09/2009 05:10:52 PM 632 Views
Re: Oh, I wasn't criticizing this phenomenom, just noting it. - 21/09/2009 06:59:36 PM 743 Views
I think the Shienaran custom of protecting women is both patronizing and submissive ATST. *NM* - 21/09/2009 02:33:58 PM 726 Views
There's actual cultural reasons for that. - 23/09/2009 04:25:52 AM 569 Views
Far Madding, Elayne's bodyguards, and Tar Valon *NM* - 21/09/2009 07:40:09 PM 294 Views
Amadicia, and possibly the Borderlands - 13/10/2009 08:19:11 AM 713 Views

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