I found the Forsaken chapter somewhat disappointing. It was clearly the work of someone who had all the superficial information about each Forsaken, but was trying to summarize their personalities all over again as if presenting it for the first time.
Graendal was talking about Demandred and Semirhage as if thinking about them for the first time. From this chapter you wouldn't think she'd known them for four thousand years, give or take a little. Or rather, for about 300 years in realtime, give or take a few decades.
As an example:
Based on Demandred's reaction to one comment from Moridin, Graendal suddenly changes her opinion regarding which of Demandred or Semirhage is the more dangerous to her? What the hell? It's not like she hasn't observed their respective tactics, attitudes and attributes over the course of a WORLD WAR that lasted for 10 years!
I would think that she would have made up her mind about their comparative strengths by now.
What is clear to me now is that the female Forsaken are even more gender-biased than the males when it comes to assessing the strengths of fellow Chosen. Everyone was criticising Rahvin for underestimating Lanfear in FoH, but Graendal seems to naturally consider the female Semirhage to be a foe as dangerous as Demandred. This despite her acknowledging that Demandred might have been the Dragon HIMSELF had he stayed with the Light!
That simply does not make sense. It is clear that Demandred is the leader of the trio. And it is also clear that Graendal is not half as cunning and intelligent as everyone has been making out up to now.
For one, it has NEVER before been suggested that Demandred sought to keep his alliance with Mesaana and Semirhage secret from the other Forsaken. For pete's sake, they've openly huddled together AT FORSAKEN MEETINGS in previous books. Arangar knew about their alliance in Book 11, yet she did not consider it to be any kind of achievement to have this insight. It is open knowledge. Yet Graendal thinks herself smart for "cracking that secret." I mean, come on.
And the way Graendal thinks about Moridin - making him her pet etc. She clearly has immense delusions of grandeur.
My estimation of Graendal has dropped SIGNIFICANTLY after reading this chapter.
What has come across yet again, however, is just how dangerous Demandred is. In EVERY appearance thus far, throughout the series, he has only been regarded with respect or awe by other Forsaken. We have had references to his ability and menace from almost all the Forsaken by now.
Graendal refers to the immense danger he presents, and then her female bias seems to elevate Semirhage to a position equal to that of a potential Dragon. Only for an instant, though, until Sanderson seems to bring reality home to us, however dubious the suggestion that Graendal had not yet analysed the comparative strengths of these two Forsaken a few thousand years ago already.
More revealing than Graendal's opionion, however, was Arangar's comparative view of Graendal and Demandred. The common thread between Arangar and Graendal's views was their high estimates for Demandred's ability. The difference, is that Arangar considered Graendal a far less dangerous adversary to try and manipulate. If I recall, her words were something to the effect that Demandred was far too dangerous to play her games with.
I particularly enjoyed the casual way Demandred stated that he would have tracked Semirhage down and claimed her life in retribution had she killed Rand. None of the other Forsaken reacted with ridicule at his statement. Certainly Mesaana did not, and she knows Semirhage's strength - having compared it to her own before.
And despite Demandred's arrogance, he has never made idle boasts before. If anything, the contrary has been true. He has refrained from making any kind of threats the less controlled Sammael was prone to make.
My conclusions based on this chapter:
Graendal is dumber than we thought up to now.
Graendal is going to die in this book.
Demandred's stature was enhanced yet again. He has consistently been built up as a Forsaken of note, and will no doubt make a dramatic entry towards the very end of the series, playing a key role in the final outcome.
Moridin is starting to put personal issues above the goals of the Dark One. Or rather, his insanity is making him even more stupid than before. The idea of sacrificing an asset of Semirhage's ability just because she hurt his phantom hand a little is petty and short sighted in the extreme.
Graendal was talking about Demandred and Semirhage as if thinking about them for the first time. From this chapter you wouldn't think she'd known them for four thousand years, give or take a little. Or rather, for about 300 years in realtime, give or take a few decades.
As an example:
Based on Demandred's reaction to one comment from Moridin, Graendal suddenly changes her opinion regarding which of Demandred or Semirhage is the more dangerous to her? What the hell? It's not like she hasn't observed their respective tactics, attitudes and attributes over the course of a WORLD WAR that lasted for 10 years!
I would think that she would have made up her mind about their comparative strengths by now.
What is clear to me now is that the female Forsaken are even more gender-biased than the males when it comes to assessing the strengths of fellow Chosen. Everyone was criticising Rahvin for underestimating Lanfear in FoH, but Graendal seems to naturally consider the female Semirhage to be a foe as dangerous as Demandred. This despite her acknowledging that Demandred might have been the Dragon HIMSELF had he stayed with the Light!
That simply does not make sense. It is clear that Demandred is the leader of the trio. And it is also clear that Graendal is not half as cunning and intelligent as everyone has been making out up to now.
For one, it has NEVER before been suggested that Demandred sought to keep his alliance with Mesaana and Semirhage secret from the other Forsaken. For pete's sake, they've openly huddled together AT FORSAKEN MEETINGS in previous books. Arangar knew about their alliance in Book 11, yet she did not consider it to be any kind of achievement to have this insight. It is open knowledge. Yet Graendal thinks herself smart for "cracking that secret." I mean, come on.
And the way Graendal thinks about Moridin - making him her pet etc. She clearly has immense delusions of grandeur.
My estimation of Graendal has dropped SIGNIFICANTLY after reading this chapter.
What has come across yet again, however, is just how dangerous Demandred is. In EVERY appearance thus far, throughout the series, he has only been regarded with respect or awe by other Forsaken. We have had references to his ability and menace from almost all the Forsaken by now.
Graendal refers to the immense danger he presents, and then her female bias seems to elevate Semirhage to a position equal to that of a potential Dragon. Only for an instant, though, until Sanderson seems to bring reality home to us, however dubious the suggestion that Graendal had not yet analysed the comparative strengths of these two Forsaken a few thousand years ago already.
More revealing than Graendal's opionion, however, was Arangar's comparative view of Graendal and Demandred. The common thread between Arangar and Graendal's views was their high estimates for Demandred's ability. The difference, is that Arangar considered Graendal a far less dangerous adversary to try and manipulate. If I recall, her words were something to the effect that Demandred was far too dangerous to play her games with.
I particularly enjoyed the casual way Demandred stated that he would have tracked Semirhage down and claimed her life in retribution had she killed Rand. None of the other Forsaken reacted with ridicule at his statement. Certainly Mesaana did not, and she knows Semirhage's strength - having compared it to her own before.
And despite Demandred's arrogance, he has never made idle boasts before. If anything, the contrary has been true. He has refrained from making any kind of threats the less controlled Sammael was prone to make.
My conclusions based on this chapter:
Graendal is dumber than we thought up to now.
Graendal is going to die in this book.
Demandred's stature was enhanced yet again. He has consistently been built up as a Forsaken of note, and will no doubt make a dramatic entry towards the very end of the series, playing a key role in the final outcome.
Moridin is starting to put personal issues above the goals of the Dark One. Or rather, his insanity is making him even more stupid than before. The idea of sacrificing an asset of Semirhage's ability just because she hurt his phantom hand a little is petty and short sighted in the extreme.
TGS Prologue - your thoughts (part 1) *spoilers*
16/09/2009 04:56:20 AM
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My comments so far
17/09/2009 05:42:58 AM
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So has no one really read it yet or
17/09/2009 06:55:52 AM
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Re: So has no one really read it yet or
17/09/2009 07:00:16 AM
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Slow down the Seanchan invasion maybe?
17/09/2009 07:07:08 AM
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Re: Slow down the Seanchan invasion maybe?
17/09/2009 07:15:35 AM
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Re: Slow down the Seanchan invasion maybe?
17/09/2009 07:18:12 AM
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First move in a full blown assualt.
17/09/2009 09:37:00 PM
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If they leave no survivors, Rand will probably be blamed, thus slowing his plans to make peace.. *NM*
17/09/2009 11:28:02 PM
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Well, spoilers obviously...
17/09/2009 06:59:01 AM
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Maybe it was Demandred.
17/09/2009 07:01:53 AM
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Demandred
17/09/2009 08:57:11 PM
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Re: Demandred
17/09/2009 09:00:31 PM
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I don't think Shara is an option
17/09/2009 09:10:49 PM
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Goes in with the whole Mat betraying Rand idea
18/09/2009 12:33:09 AM
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Not to metion is might help explain Masema, since he's been around that area for ages. *NM*
18/09/2009 12:19:18 PM
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Faile and Moridin biggest points of interest
17/09/2009 07:16:10 AM
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Re: Faile and Moridin biggest points of interest
17/09/2009 07:23:15 AM
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Cruel and shady?
17/09/2009 07:24:34 AM
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Any idea who in Rand's group leaked the Semi capture, old Dark Friend or new? *NM*
17/09/2009 07:32:22 AM
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How the intelligence war has changed and tables turned. No more ignorant forsaken, but...
17/10/2009 02:22:31 PM
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A few thoughts
17/09/2009 07:31:05 AM
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Re: A few thoughts
17/09/2009 07:53:41 AM
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It was Brilliant. A review. (Horrible spoilers and some quotes!)
17/09/2009 08:02:15 AM
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Re: It was Brilliant. A review. (Horrible spoilers and some quotes!)
17/09/2009 08:13:07 AM
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Ummm... why?
17/09/2009 08:17:59 AM
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I think Min gets toasted
17/09/2009 09:34:35 AM
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Doubt it
18/09/2009 02:15:57 PM
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What about Tam? *NM*
18/09/2009 05:59:38 PM
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Ash'aman?!
17/09/2009 03:51:09 PM
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Moridin's servants are usually Zomoran.
17/09/2009 04:22:16 PM
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But maybe not here... maybe
17/09/2009 04:30:40 PM
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The logistics make it impossible...
17/09/2009 04:36:27 PM
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Some major questions (The prologue has really got me psyched)
17/09/2009 08:27:29 AM
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Re: Some major questions (The prologue has really got me psyched)
18/09/2009 03:04:40 AM
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Forsaken chapter analysis
17/09/2009 04:19:07 PM
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Was it Brandon?
17/09/2009 04:31:07 PM
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Thoughts on Graendal's POV
17/09/2009 07:31:04 PM
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Completely enjoyed it. (Obviously spoilers)
18/09/2009 01:01:54 AM
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Tylee
18/09/2009 05:51:18 AM
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That was my hope.
18/09/2009 06:35:41 AM
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Thought on Mesaana
18/09/2009 01:13:48 AM
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Question. (Or random thought that could become a theory from someone smarter)
18/09/2009 04:40:42 AM
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Re: Question. (Or random thought that could become a theory from someone smarter)
18/09/2009 05:04:50 AM
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Re: Question. (Or random thought that could become a theory from someone smarter)
18/09/2009 06:19:32 AM
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Forsaken Chapter
18/09/2009 10:42:33 PM
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