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Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM
That absurd rant almost puts you on par with "Lo'oris" for stupidity.

You first say that everything is subjective, then you say that a cross in urine is objectively not art. That position is exactly how people defend modern art - everything is subjective. Pick a position and stick with it.

You are fully within your rights to say that everyone has their own tastes as to what they like and don't like. I don't think anyone here at any point was trying to say that people don't have a right to like Robert Jordan or anyone else for that matter.

However, your reductionist argument is useless. By that standard, someone who writes a book where every sentence looks like "The ddog jumt and itwer happi with sanwichus becuz she think God wil b 2 happi and SAILBOAT!" is "well written". If there is no way of using consensus to agree on criteria by which something can be judged for value than nothing has any meaning at all. Why learn anything at all?

I find it amazing how violently stupid so many of you are here at the WoT board. It's like I wandered into a trailer park or something.


If 10 million people like your book "The ddog jumt and itwer happi with sanwichus becuz she think God wil b 2 happi and SAILBOAT!" well...

The concept of "everything is relative" is far from stupid; your inane example however may well qualify. “Everything is relative” is a concept championed by many of your beloved "good" writers in their "classics".

If you are going to declare "..how violently stupid so many of you are here at the WoT board..." please post your MENSA invitation or IQ score; I will happily post mine. Until then I am quite sure you are capable of guessing which bodily orifice you can insert your snobbery into.

You were the one that placed the introduction of Lolita a an example of "good" prose. You were the one who has refused to explain why it was good. You are the one who refuses to admit that your definition of "good" is completely subjective and in no way more definitive than that of anyone else. You are teh one who retreats behind insults when you are questioned. You are the one who has questioned (insulted would be more accurate) the intelligence of everyone else on this board who dares to disagree with you.

I asked in a quick poll recently who people though could be Rand reborn in our age, I think we now know who Joseph McCarthy was reborn as.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3204 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1597 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1234 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1100 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1198 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 958 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 774 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1561 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1303 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 869 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1036 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1223 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1149 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1606 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1287 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1388 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1170 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1258 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1165 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1211 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1145 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 764 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2013 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1203 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1261 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1513 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1265 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1237 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1235 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 724 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1087 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1379 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1333 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 683 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1383 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 745 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 728 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1080 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1228 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1167 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1008 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1413 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1056 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1091 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1302 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1173 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1165 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1161 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1297 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1108 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 748 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1214 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 992 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1105 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1003 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1054 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 989 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1153 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1203 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1116 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 778 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1067 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 915 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1050 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1191 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1128 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1125 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1150 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1191 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1163 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1088 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 681 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 917 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 698 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1001 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 753 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1075 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1238 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 1646 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 996 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1008 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1049 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 602 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 639 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 733 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1102 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1123 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1083 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1215 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1051 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1224 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1010 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1044 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1120 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 641 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 986 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1134 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1172 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1069 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1014 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1278 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1116 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1162 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 954 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 960 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1118 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1004 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1144 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1213 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1130 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1222 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1241 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1151 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1390 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1100 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 771 Views
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