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I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM
Let me start by just saying that I am not so wowed that I simply need to read this story:
Super-advanced, super-civilized and peaceful people who use magic found a way to contact what is basically, a hyper-powerful Satan, and the result was that the world went from utter peace to massacres and anarchy. Everyone nearly died trying to stop it, but they didn't put the world back in order and Evil was still a powerfully-influential force. Nearly 3000 years later, this 17-century European-like continent has women who control all the magic in the world. Men who have magic are dangerous and feared and bad, but Good relies on the reborn spirit of the most famous man ever who won a Pyhrric victory in stopping Evil the first time is the only guy who can stop it this time. But he doesn't know anything about this! And the legions of Evil are everywhere and powerful! And even the other good guys are scared of him or want to control him in a way that may not be for the best! And he's just an ignorant youngster with no education but a lot of heart!

I don't care if it's a movie series, a "quality" syfy show (hahaha!), or a novel: I don't find that plot - even throwing in cool things like Lanfear, Ishy, gholam, sangreal, or Mat, or other juicy "cool stuff" - to be so interesting that I have to try it. Or have to keep enjoying it.

It's the way the story was told that made it so addictive. The more I think about it, the more I feel that the beast got away from RJ after LoC. Because I have read lots of literature, and a bit of trash too, but I found TEotW, TGH, TDR, and TSR, to be completely engrossing.

I think I found LoC the same way, but I can't quite remember and I should reread before I opine. I'm sure that ACoS onward sees the series take a dip in many ways. It's more like the 6th series of a tv show - it's extremely rare that it makes successful efforts and good experiments; or doesn't lapse into been-there-before in a way that either (a) indicates they didn't pull off what they were going for or (b) have run out of ideas.

Although RJ had clearly not run out of ideas - even up to the end (dammit) - his execution was not so strong as the series went on. Things he tried for didn't work, some choices could have been handled differently (impliedly also: for the better), and the level of "drag" or repetition really does mount to the degree of "kinda unacceptable."

I'll address the rest in part 2
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3298 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1683 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1305 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1188 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1276 Views
Oh, it really depends. - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1018 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 813 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1642 Views
Thank you. - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1390 Views
Well Said! - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1303 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1707 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1378 Views
Not particularly. - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1499 Views
Agreed. - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1256 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1232 Views
Amen *NM* - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 801 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2095 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1283 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1340 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1477 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1418 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 717 Views
There are nine, actually... - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1480 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1167 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1298 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1261 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1095 Views
So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1487 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1141 Views
I'm not trolling - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1165 Views
That depends... - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1387 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1248 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1239 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1371 Views
Not for quality of writing. - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1195 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 774 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1307 Views
If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1067 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1198 Views
I still don't get it. - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1089 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1135 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1084 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1237 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1288 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1189 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 809 Views
... - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1145 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 984 Views
It is not a serious question. - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1128 Views
How so? - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1265 Views
I have every right to use that tone. - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1222 Views
Is that so? - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1214 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1227 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1276 Views
You're conflating two things. - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1249 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1177 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 713 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 998 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 730 Views
Glad to hear that. - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1084 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 787 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1150 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1311 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 636 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 665 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 767 Views
Re: ... - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1190 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1206 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1160 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1302 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1131 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1318 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1087 Views
Ok... - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1130 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1201 Views
*NM* - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 681 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1069 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1187 Views
Among living writers? - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1250 Views
No Rushdie? - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1145 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1086 Views
My list would be similar... - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1356 Views
That was a very good list. - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1201 Views
Re: That was a very good list. - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1256 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1039 Views
Oh, and another question - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1012 Views
Re: Oh, and another question - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1198 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1076 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1223 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1301 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1210 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1314 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1327 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1233 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1471 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 804 Views

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