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Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris Send a noteboard - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM
In closing, though I know you don't necessarily endorse Adams' criticism, but Adam Roberts is an ass. The English have this particular knack for criticizing things with back-handed compliments, then analyzing things as if they're talking about the frolics of a half-daft child. That's pedantic, insulting, and annoying.

I agree, I started reading that article, and had to stop once I realised it was simply an enormous pile of bullshit on bullshit: he just went "bashing-mode" and inserted random critics not caring if they made any sense or not.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3188 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1579 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1220 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1085 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1180 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 941 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 767 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1548 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1288 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 863 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1022 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1209 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1138 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1587 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1263 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1368 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1151 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1241 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1149 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1194 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1126 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 754 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 1995 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1180 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1245 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1496 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1252 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1221 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1221 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 716 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1071 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1361 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1315 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 675 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1363 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 738 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 721 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1065 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1211 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1150 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 989 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1400 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1039 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1077 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1285 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1159 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1152 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1141 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1281 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1086 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 741 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1196 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 973 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1087 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 989 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1035 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 971 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1135 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1188 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1097 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 769 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1047 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 896 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1032 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1175 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1114 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1107 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1128 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1169 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1144 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1066 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 674 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 897 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 687 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 985 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 746 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1056 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1215 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 1625 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 981 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 990 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1032 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 594 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 633 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 724 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1085 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1109 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1062 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1198 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1030 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1204 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 994 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1030 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1106 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 632 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 970 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1120 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1155 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1047 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 995 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1258 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1091 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1146 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 937 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 940 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1094 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 989 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1128 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1200 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1116 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1205 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1226 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1133 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1367 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1080 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 760 Views
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