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That depends... DomA Send a noteboard - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM
You're taking the view that aesthetics is the primary criteria to determine if a book is good or not. That's certainly valid, and that's certainly a major factor when determining the cultural value of a book, but that's more for me a way to separate great, culturally meaningful literature from literature at large.

Anyone who would try to claim Robert Jordan has achieved with WOT a work of great cultural importance, a future classic, really needs to read more.

But as far as I'm concerned, the aesthetic insignificance of Jordan's work doesn't make him a bad writer, not just part of the great and outstanding ones. He was still in many ways a good craftsman, with some obvious weaknesses (unlike Dan Brown or S. Meyers, for instance) - and a better storyteller, forums like this being a testimony to his power in that respect. The form of WOT certainly leaves a lot to be desired aesthetically, but on the whole it remains a good and fairly well told story, despite being terribly conventional writing-wise, and despite structural problems that tells less about Jordan's skills than about his wisdom of writing something so long, knowing each book would be published and after that there was no time machine to go back and fix what seemed good ideas at the time but proved problematic two-three books later. He's not Flaubert, and certainly not Nabokov. He's more like a modern Dumas.

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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3326 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1723 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1347 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1229 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1309 Views
Oh, it really depends. - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1080 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 830 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1682 Views
Thank you. - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1420 Views
Well Said! - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1345 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1744 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1437 Views
Not particularly. - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1544 Views
Agreed. - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1284 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1278 Views
Amen *NM* - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 816 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2151 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1330 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1375 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1539 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1486 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 735 Views
There are nine, actually... - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1519 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1207 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1339 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1301 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1144 Views
So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1525 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1177 Views
I'm not trolling - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1195 Views
That depends... - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1434 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1292 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1280 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1412 Views
Not for quality of writing. - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1235 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 792 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1347 Views
If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1112 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1236 Views
I still don't get it. - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1131 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1178 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1129 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1281 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1321 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1232 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 823 Views
... - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1181 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1023 Views
It is not a serious question. - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1173 Views
How so? - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1302 Views
I have every right to use that tone. - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1258 Views
Is that so? - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1266 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1268 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1312 Views
You're conflating two things. - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1297 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1223 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 729 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1039 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 744 Views
Glad to hear that. - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1124 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 800 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1194 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1348 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 654 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 683 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 785 Views
Re: ... - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1224 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1251 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1202 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1346 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1166 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1354 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1130 Views
Ok... - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1166 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1241 Views
*NM* - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 698 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1106 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1231 Views
Among living writers? - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1292 Views
No Rushdie? - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1180 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1133 Views
My list would be similar... - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1395 Views
That was a very good list. - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1250 Views
Re: That was a very good list. - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1297 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1086 Views
Oh, and another question - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1050 Views
Re: Oh, and another question - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1238 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1113 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1271 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1415 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1251 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1422 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1371 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1336 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1512 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 821 Views

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