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That depends... DomA Send a noteboard - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM
You're taking the view that aesthetics is the primary criteria to determine if a book is good or not. That's certainly valid, and that's certainly a major factor when determining the cultural value of a book, but that's more for me a way to separate great, culturally meaningful literature from literature at large.

Anyone who would try to claim Robert Jordan has achieved with WOT a work of great cultural importance, a future classic, really needs to read more.

But as far as I'm concerned, the aesthetic insignificance of Jordan's work doesn't make him a bad writer, not just part of the great and outstanding ones. He was still in many ways a good craftsman, with some obvious weaknesses (unlike Dan Brown or S. Meyers, for instance) - and a better storyteller, forums like this being a testimony to his power in that respect. The form of WOT certainly leaves a lot to be desired aesthetically, but on the whole it remains a good and fairly well told story, despite being terribly conventional writing-wise, and despite structural problems that tells less about Jordan's skills than about his wisdom of writing something so long, knowing each book would be published and after that there was no time machine to go back and fix what seemed good ideas at the time but proved problematic two-three books later. He's not Flaubert, and certainly not Nabokov. He's more like a modern Dumas.

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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3402 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1806 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1434 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1295 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1381 Views
Oh, it really depends. - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1173 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 876 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1796 Views
Thank you. - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1493 Views
Well Said! - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1453 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1829 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1530 Views
Not particularly. - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1652 Views
Agreed. - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1346 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1379 Views
Amen *NM* - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 855 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2250 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1432 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1442 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1667 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1587 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 784 Views
There are nine, actually... - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1591 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1269 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1411 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1370 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1259 Views
So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1622 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1239 Views
I'm not trolling - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1258 Views
That depends... - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1532 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1374 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1360 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1484 Views
Not for quality of writing. - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1330 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 853 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1415 Views
If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1226 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1293 Views
I still don't get it. - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1211 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1273 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1226 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1351 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1399 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1311 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 859 Views
... - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1242 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1110 Views
It is not a serious question. - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1287 Views
How so? - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1393 Views
I have every right to use that tone. - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1334 Views
Is that so? - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1396 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1339 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1388 Views
You're conflating two things. - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1418 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1320 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 787 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1141 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 788 Views
Glad to hear that. - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1217 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 835 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1297 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1447 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 707 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 736 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 843 Views
Re: ... - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1284 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1338 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1276 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1455 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1231 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1431 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1235 Views
Ok... - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1241 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1334 Views
*NM* - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 755 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1184 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1322 Views
Among living writers? - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1384 Views
No Rushdie? - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1253 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1218 Views
My list would be similar... - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1485 Views
That was a very good list. - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1368 Views
Re: That was a very good list. - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1400 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1210 Views
Oh, and another question - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1137 Views
Re: Oh, and another question - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1339 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1189 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1387 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1527 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1351 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1512 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1439 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1443 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1577 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 867 Views

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