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That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM
I suppose one might construct a ridiculously convoluted attempt at linking the extent of the White Tower's influence to, say, American imperialism, but such an attempt would be risible for obvious reasons.

No, I'm afraid the world of Jordan is thematically barren.


Unless you're saying "but Jordan makes us think 'is unlimited power a good thing?'" In that case, yes. But that's a very cliched question.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? newyorkersedai - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3239 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1632 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1264 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1130 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1227 Views
Oh, it really depends. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 978 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 792 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. RabidWombat - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1587 Views
Thank you. Nargs - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1336 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 882 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. Gerbeaud - 22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM 1067 Views
Well Said! Evil_Monkey - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1254 Views
That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen. The Count - 23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM 1186 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1640 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1320 Views
Not particularly. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1419 Views
Agreed. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1203 Views
Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM 1285 Views
That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler. Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM 1199 Views
Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM 1241 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... Velveti - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1179 Views
Amen *NM* Nargs - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 774 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? DomA - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2041 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1240 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol Onarishma - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1290 Views
I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM 1548 Views
That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks newyorkersedai - 23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM 1301 Views
Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM 1265 Views
adam roberts reviews uglycat - 23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM 1261 Views
And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM 735 Views
Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM 1119 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Tom - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1412 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. Lo'oris - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1366 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 694 Views
There are nine, actually... Lo'oris - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1417 Views
Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM 759 Views
Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM* Tom - 23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM 741 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. Stephen - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1115 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1252 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Stephen - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1202 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1041 Views
So wait, style is good? Stephen - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1441 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1090 Views
I'm not trolling Stephen - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1121 Views
That depends... DomA - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1337 Views
I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria. Tom - 23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM 1201 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion RabidWombat - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1196 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion DomA - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1189 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1325 Views
Not for quality of writing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1146 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* HyogaRott - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 757 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1248 Views
If you don't mind me asking... Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1022 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... DomA - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1136 Views
I still don't get it. Fanatic-Templar - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1036 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1084 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1025 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. Lo'oris - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1189 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1238 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1138 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 789 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1095 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 942 Views
It is not a serious question. Tom - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1075 Views
How so? fionwe1987 - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1221 Views
I have every right to use that tone. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1163 Views
Is that so? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1161 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. Tom - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1178 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? Fanatic-Templar - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1221 Views
You're conflating two things. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1196 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1127 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* Nargs - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 693 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 947 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 713 Views
Glad to hear that. Tom - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1027 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 765 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1098 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Tom - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1264 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. HyogaRott - 25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM 1677 Views
I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you. Tom - 25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM 1028 Views
Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic" HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM 1044 Views
Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. Lo'oris - 26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM 1075 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 615 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* Nargs - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 650 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* HyogaRott - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 747 Views
Re: ... Lo'oris - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1138 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. newyorkersedai - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1155 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. Tom - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1112 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1247 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1080 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? GarethBryne - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1263 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. Ghavrel - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1042 Views
Ok... Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1078 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. Ghavrel - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1152 Views
*NM* Tom - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 656 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. Nargs - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1018 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? VTHokie - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1155 Views
Among living writers? Tom - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1201 Views
No Rushdie? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1097 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. Tom - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1046 Views
My list would be similar... DomA - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1305 Views
That was a very good list. Tom - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1150 Views
Re: That was a very good list. DomA - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1198 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. Tom - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 989 Views
Oh, and another question Tom - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 979 Views
Re: Oh, and another question DomA - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1142 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... Tom - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1033 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... DomA - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1173 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1242 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Tom - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1165 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? Iain83 - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1252 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1271 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' Iain83 - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1180 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: Nargs - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1416 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' DomA - 03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM 1128 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* Marshall - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 784 Views
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