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Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* Gerbeaud Send a noteboard - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM
I don't know if he is a good writer or a bad writer and to be frank I really don't care. I enjoy him, when I enjoy very few authors. Things that other people cite as weaknesses, I enjoy.

I take any critique of any author with truckloads of salt. EVERYBODY thinks they have above average tastes and intelligence when that is obviously impossible.

Some people make up crazy metrics and apply them inconsistently. (My favorite one of these is RJs supposed over fascination with clothing and description in general. True, RJ intersperses a lot of 'her dress is yellow slashed with green, etc.' But taken together, I doubt it even comes close to comparing to Tolkien's obsession with describing landscapes not to mention the elvish poems and songs.) Other people have even weirder criterion such as the percentage of main characters that die. Others confuse being bored with boring. (If I didn't like it, it must be boring.)

Well said. I enjoy WOT. There are not many books/series that I have read more than once but WOT is definitely in that category.

In the end, though, I don't even trust the professional critics. My criteria are things like 'do I enjoy it' or 'does it give me something to think about and talk about' or 'does it help me to see people and the 'real' world better' or 'is it re-readable again and again and again. No Oxford don can tell me how I am going to feel no matter how intelligent and knowledgeable he is.

Another thing to remember is that anyone who wants to inflate their ego will ALWAYS negatively criticize an author. Any critic who is always positive will quickly develop the reputation of a shill and a sell-out. A critic that is always negative will be thought as having discriminating taste. (Its not a bug; its a feature.) Add that to the fact that the vast majority (maybe all books) have a lot more people who dislike (or are apathetic) to them than those who like them. Finally, as a general rule people prefer negative reviews to positive. People may not like to see car wrecks but neither can they take their eyes off of them.

It is simply much easier to tear down an author with made up statistics and opinions dressed as fact then it is to admit that it is your personal opinion.

RJ like all authors is what he is. If you enjoy him don't let anyone's supposed knowledgeable criticism keep you from enjoying his work. If you don't like him, read someone else. If you want to criticize him, go ahead.
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3501 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1934 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1597 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1419 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1501 Views
Oh, it really depends. - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 1288 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 965 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1918 Views
Thank you. - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1612 Views
Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM* - 22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM 1077 Views
Well Said! - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1646 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1986 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1679 Views
Not particularly. - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1818 Views
Agreed. - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1452 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1531 Views
Amen *NM* - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 904 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2477 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1596 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1559 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1865 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1757 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 867 Views
There are nine, actually... - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1710 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1359 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1523 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1472 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1459 Views
So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1742 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1359 Views
I'm not trolling - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1377 Views
That depends... - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1662 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1493 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1461 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1595 Views
Not for quality of writing. - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1460 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 952 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1523 Views
If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1422 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1392 Views
I still don't get it. - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1374 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1411 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1374 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1443 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1510 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1457 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 916 Views
... - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1352 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 1250 Views
It is not a serious question. - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1494 Views
How so? - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1552 Views
I have every right to use that tone. - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1426 Views
Is that so? - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1628 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1460 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1497 Views
You're conflating two things. - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1598 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1465 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 875 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 1308 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 843 Views
Glad to hear that. - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1379 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 876 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1498 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1600 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 794 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 817 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 940 Views
Re: ... - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1423 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1504 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1386 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1652 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1360 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1530 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1392 Views
Ok... - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1385 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1495 Views
*NM* - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 848 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1298 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1499 Views
Among living writers? - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1549 Views
No Rushdie? - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1356 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1348 Views
My list would be similar... - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1660 Views
That was a very good list. - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1577 Views
Re: That was a very good list. - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1563 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1434 Views
Oh, and another question - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 1232 Views
Re: Oh, and another question - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1510 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1289 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1565 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1676 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1499 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1631 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1574 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1577 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1692 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 962 Views

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