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I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM
It's like he was telling a story, that is rich and entertaining, but he wandered through the process and got bogged down in places or simply trailed off in others.

Generally people seem to want a more linear storyline ... Introduce the hero, put him in danger, have him save the day. RJ didn't structure the books that way, at least not clearly, and it allowed for many random plots that didn't really drive the story. I guess what I'm getting at is that it would be like someone trying to tell you the story of Jack and the Beanstalk but weaves Little Red Riding Hood and the 3 Little Pigs into the story because they think those stories will weave a better overall story for you, and then they also explain that in the timeframe of LRRH young girls often wore this type of garment and that wolves often eat pigs and that gold is valuable... Instead of giving you a clear story, you end up get confused by all the random detail that doesn't really contribute to the original story.

RJ is usually critiqued for being long winded and overly detailed ... Do we really need to know what some AS, whose name we don't even know, is wearing on a given day? Do we need to read about every floor tile in the friggin White Tower?

Like you I have a soft spot for the subject... I've been reading it since EoTW was first published and have never missed a new release of any of the books... I'm used to it and have come to expect it as part of the story. In fact I find Sanderson too bare in those random details and find myself thinking that he's not really telling the story the right way. RJ was no literary genius, but he was telling us his story in his way. People who criticize that can just keep on bitching... It's not like RJ was out to win the Pulitzer!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM 3274 Views
I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer. - 21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM 1663 Views
Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured - 22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM 1285 Views
What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM 1165 Views
Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors? - 23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM 1257 Views
Oh, it really depends. - 23/02/2011 05:39:07 PM 997 Views
thanks, I'll have a look *NM* - 23/02/2011 05:40:50 PM 804 Views
For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. - 21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM 1621 Views
Thank you. - 21/02/2011 11:43:08 PM 1366 Views
Well Said! - 22/02/2011 02:42:22 PM 1285 Views
I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to. - 22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM 1689 Views
Do you enjoy reading Robert Jordan's ... - 22/02/2011 04:31:28 PM 1353 Views
Not particularly. - 22/02/2011 10:22:00 PM 1474 Views
Agreed. - 22/02/2011 10:37:08 PM 1231 Views
As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ... - 22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM 1212 Views
Amen *NM* - 22/02/2011 04:32:50 PM 792 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer? - 22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM 2073 Views
Brain overload! This is really well thought out. - 23/02/2011 10:22:37 PM 1262 Views
thank you for the insight into the outside view lol - 24/02/2011 04:34:57 PM 1314 Views
I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM 1449 Views
Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak. - 22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM 1391 Views
The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM* - 22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM 710 Views
There are nine, actually... - 23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM 1455 Views
I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM 1146 Views
Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you. - 24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM 1276 Views
If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM 1240 Views
Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book - 24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM 1071 Views
So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM 1469 Views
Re: So wait, style is good? - 25/02/2011 08:53:55 AM 1122 Views
I'm not trolling - 25/02/2011 11:57:18 PM 1146 Views
That depends... - 23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM 1367 Views
the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM 1231 Views
Re: the "do you like it" is the most important criterion - 24/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1218 Views
Thumbs up - IMHO, all discussion can end here - 28/02/2011 05:45:34 PM 1351 Views
Not for quality of writing. - 24/02/2011 05:17:52 PM 1174 Views
Those who can do, the rest are critics. *NM* - 24/02/2011 07:55:50 PM 764 Views
I object, sir! People don't read WoT for the way it's told? - 24/02/2011 12:58:58 AM 1283 Views
If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM 1048 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 02:19:17 AM 1168 Views
I still don't get it. - 24/02/2011 08:27:50 AM 1069 Views
Re: If you don't mind me asking... - 24/02/2011 11:29:14 PM 1112 Views
I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM 1061 Views
Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature. - 24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM 1217 Views
I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM 1266 Views
Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service. - 25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM 1163 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:48:43 PM 801 Views
... - 25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM 1126 Views
Maybe you should have used better prose? - 25/02/2011 01:23:17 AM 963 Views
It is not a serious question. - 25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM 1106 Views
How so? - 25/02/2011 02:59:05 AM 1248 Views
I have every right to use that tone. - 25/02/2011 03:08:14 PM 1194 Views
Is that so? - 25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM 1192 Views
I'm not fixated with Jordan. - 25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM 1208 Views
Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him? - 25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM 1256 Views
You're conflating two things. - 25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM 1231 Views
All right, now we're getting somewhere. - 26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM 1157 Views
you raise very good questions... *NM* - 26/02/2011 09:21:13 AM 703 Views
Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity. - 26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM 979 Views
Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM* - 26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM 723 Views
Glad to hear that. - 27/02/2011 03:42:33 AM 1059 Views
No problem, these things happen on the internet. *NM* - 27/02/2011 04:36:57 AM 774 Views
No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered. - 25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM 1132 Views
Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion. - 25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM 1292 Views
Jack @$$ snobbery at its best. WOW *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:51:48 PM 630 Views
double post. oh my! *NM* - 28/02/2011 05:52:17 PM 657 Views
Just makes you right twice *NM* - 28/02/2011 09:42:19 PM 759 Views
Re: ... - 25/02/2011 08:59:37 AM 1171 Views
And part 2, on the analysis of writing. - 24/02/2011 01:16:20 AM 1187 Views
Florid desciption is usually not a good thing. - 24/02/2011 05:30:30 PM 1141 Views
Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly - 23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM 1275 Views
Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM 1110 Views
Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics? - 23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM 1298 Views
Of course people read for pleasure. - 23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM 1069 Views
Ok... - 24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM 1111 Views
"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument. - 24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM 1183 Views
*NM* - 24/02/2011 05:37:02 PM 674 Views
I find your above average tastes and intelligence uninspiring. - 24/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1048 Views
I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"? - 24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM 1169 Views
Among living writers? - 24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM 1231 Views
No Rushdie? - 24/02/2011 09:22:46 PM 1125 Views
I was considering mentioning Rushdie. - 24/02/2011 09:32:20 PM 1070 Views
My list would be similar... - 26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM 1336 Views
That was a very good list. - 26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM 1181 Views
Re: That was a very good list. - 27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM 1234 Views
Once I finish Hugo I'm probably going to read Druon. - 27/02/2011 02:30:03 PM 1019 Views
Oh, and another question - 27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM 992 Views
Re: Oh, and another question - 01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM 1171 Views
One final question, if you'll indulge me... - 01/03/2011 06:43:23 PM 1059 Views
Well, until I have time to return to your previous post but... - 01/03/2011 07:45:13 PM 1205 Views
I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM 1277 Views
You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 27/02/2011 02:43:46 PM 1192 Views
Re: You like Solzhenitsyn but not other Russian writers? - 02/03/2011 11:47:19 PM 1289 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM 1303 Views
Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great' - 03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM 1214 Views
Link to DomA Post from up above: - 03/03/2011 12:20:11 AM 1447 Views
He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM* - 27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM 797 Views

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