Most everything you say is very complex, convoluted, and often involves speculation.
How does 'she overheared them' qualify as "very complex," or "convoluted"? As for speculation, what the hell? This whole question is an exercise in speculation, since the actual answer is never given in the book!What we've seen: Sammael and Rahvin both have their cities covered in Wards to detect Channeling. As you so helpfully pointed out, Bel'al found out Moiraines presence, almost certainly due to Wards.
They did that after Rand demonstrated his capacity for killing Forsaken. And Rahvin's wards were not triggered by Lanfear's appearance in the Palace, so it is unlikely they were warded so close to home. Thus it makes it unlikely Moiraine was able to find out about Sammael and Bel'al using the Power.
What remains is for her to find out with spies or by eavesdropping. Since it is unlikely she got into the Stone, it being the worlds most storied and defensible fortress, we can safely eliminate eavesdropping, in Tear at least.
And we see from Egwene's use of Moiraine's technique that you don't need to be inside a building to use it, whereas it is apparently very possible to walk right up to the exterior of the Stone, so she COULD have gotten close enough to eavesdrop. Also, the Stone is impregnable to armies. To a channeler or to a person with the right connections, sneaking in could and should be possible. As per example, the plan Mat & Juilin were going to use. Moiraine HAD people inside the Stone, as subsequent books show, and no doubt could have gained entrance in such away. Since you are so certain of her inability to breach the Stone, care to explain her presence in the HEART of the Stone during the showdown between Rand & Bel'al? What remains is for her to find out with spies or by eavesdropping. Since it is unlikely she got into the Stone, it being the worlds most storied and defensible fortress, we can safely eliminate eavesdropping, in Tear at least.
In the same vein, I find it unlikely she could just wander around Sammael's palace (the Council of Nine's), for the same reason; seat of power, lots of guards, and she's unable to safely channel.
We have also seen that the Forsaken treat Aes Sedai with contempt - Bel'al is scoffing at her right up to the point where she unleashes balefire on his ass. How likely are they to take serious precautions against an Aes Sedai, especially when doing stuff that will snare any and every sister who channels in the capital structure of a nation will almost certainly alert the Tower that something is amiss. Taking precautions against individual sisters would seem stupid from their perspectives - what they are worried about is the other Forsaken, more than even Rand. So we are left with her determining two Forsaken's identities, in a matter of hours each, using her own agents. We know she is not now, nor was ever, the Spymaster for the Blue Ajah, and so cannot know all Blue agents, only her own personal ones.
Which she has all over the place, including several in Tear. How stupid would it be to NOT have placed someone in the very city where the Dragon is supposed to be made publicly known, at some point during your two-decade search for the Dragon reborn? Even if she hears a description of Lord Brend or High Lord Samon, it is a stretch to think she could match the description with which Forsaken, since very little knowledge of them remains, even to Aes Sedai. Which is also why I discount your argument that it matters that Sammael, Bel'al, and Rahvin don't disguise themselves when dealing with their minions; it doesn't matter, because nobody knows what the Forsaken look like, the minions just know them as a very powerful, highly placed Darkfriend.
I meant they don't bother keeping their idenities a secret in ANY way, and they don't conceal themselves as Mesaana or Semirage do. No one knows the appearances of those two Forsaken either, but they did not want people finding out that they were Anath and Danelle. By contrast, Rahvin et al, did not seem to care that their innner minions knew that Lords Samon, Brend and Gaebril were Bel'al, Sammael & Rahvin, respectively. Therefore, there should have been people around who knew these things, whom Moiraine could overhear or interrogate. I stand by my original statement, that it just seems unlikely, given what we know, that even a wunderkind Aes Sedai like Moiraine could so specifically nail the identities of two Forsaken in a matter of hours.
Try days or weeks for Bel'al. And Occam's Razor suggests that, since she DID find that stuff out, the simplest explanation, that she overheared clues, is the most likely one.
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“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Question about Rand and Lanfear's battle before Moiraine's game-saving tackle, and other ?s
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I thought of another...
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Re: Question about Rand and Lanfear's battle before Moiraine's game-saving tackle, and other ?s
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Re: Question about Rand and Lanfear's battle before Moiraine's game-saving tackle, and other ?s
06/02/2011 08:15:43 PM
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You're misapplying practices.
07/02/2011 01:08:22 PM
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Still disagree...
08/02/2011 06:11:38 AM
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Re: Still disagree...
08/02/2011 11:58:19 AM
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Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?
09/02/2011 05:45:13 AM
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Have YOU?
15/02/2011 12:47:39 AM
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21/02/2011 10:35:41 AM
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Some ideas
04/02/2011 08:26:09 AM
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04/02/2011 11:42:38 AM
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04/02/2011 02:21:44 PM
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04/02/2011 02:33:53 PM
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05/02/2011 05:45:00 PM
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07/02/2011 06:20:33 PM
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08/02/2011 01:54:17 PM
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Your example proved my point - LTT only said that it was needed for certain weaves.
08/02/2011 04:20:28 PM
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Hmm...
08/02/2011 05:38:13 PM
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It's a flawed and incorrect given all the examples we've seen in the books.
08/02/2011 08:36:32 PM
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08/02/2011 10:16:56 PM
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Also...
08/02/2011 11:35:20 PM
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Well, that's partially the point I'm bringing up.
09/02/2011 03:19:07 PM
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09/02/2011 03:04:00 PM
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