None of this is contradicted by what I have posited
entyti Send a noteboard - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM
I have not presumed in my hypothesis that the actions of the people of the world are insignificant; simply that the Dragon is more relevant in a cosmic sense then may appear.
If the actions of the people were irrelevant, then Rand's answer from the Eelfinn would have had no meaning. Why unite the lands against the Dark One if it doesn't matter? Simply put: it does matter.
However, Rand's significance- the Dragon's significance- is vital to the restoration of the world. That's why the Shadow took such measures to turn him to their side. That's why the wolves were so invested in Rand's epiphany at Dragonmount. That's why the Borderlanders were charged to test him and bring about his fall quickly so the world would have its end quickly.
As Shannow quoted: the land is one with the Dragon, and the Dragon is one with the land. Examples of this are obvious. When Rand saw his darkest times, the world around him befell the worst of his Ta'veren twists. After his revelation, good luck and miracles were abound.
If Rand is in fact an incarnation of the Great Serpent, suddenly a lot of the mysticism around him is made clear. The intentions of the Shadow are also much more understandable. If Rand were just a man, ta'veren or no, Dragon Reborn or no, what is the point of turning him to the Shadow rather than just killing him?
Rand as the Great Serpent doesn't outshine the roles of the rest of the characters. What it does, though, is bring about a more level playing field between him and the Dark One. When facing an entity as vast and destructive as the Dark One, it is difficult to see how anything will stand against it. Understanding Rand's role in the universe can help see how he will be able to do just that.
You can't win a game of chess with just your pawns, nor with just your queen. All the pieces must work in concert to win.
If the actions of the people were irrelevant, then Rand's answer from the Eelfinn would have had no meaning. Why unite the lands against the Dark One if it doesn't matter? Simply put: it does matter.
However, Rand's significance- the Dragon's significance- is vital to the restoration of the world. That's why the Shadow took such measures to turn him to their side. That's why the wolves were so invested in Rand's epiphany at Dragonmount. That's why the Borderlanders were charged to test him and bring about his fall quickly so the world would have its end quickly.
As Shannow quoted: the land is one with the Dragon, and the Dragon is one with the land. Examples of this are obvious. When Rand saw his darkest times, the world around him befell the worst of his Ta'veren twists. After his revelation, good luck and miracles were abound.
If Rand is in fact an incarnation of the Great Serpent, suddenly a lot of the mysticism around him is made clear. The intentions of the Shadow are also much more understandable. If Rand were just a man, ta'veren or no, Dragon Reborn or no, what is the point of turning him to the Shadow rather than just killing him?
Rand as the Great Serpent doesn't outshine the roles of the rest of the characters. What it does, though, is bring about a more level playing field between him and the Dark One. When facing an entity as vast and destructive as the Dark One, it is difficult to see how anything will stand against it. Understanding Rand's role in the universe can help see how he will be able to do just that.
You can't win a game of chess with just your pawns, nor with just your queen. All the pieces must work in concert to win.
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This message last edited by entyti on 08/02/2011 at 09:19:49 PM
Rand is the Great Serpent
08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM
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Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM*
08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM
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I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM*
08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM
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That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case
08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM
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But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often...
08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM
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This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM*
08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM
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The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People
08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM
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None of this is contradicted by what I have posited
08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM
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But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total.
09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM
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The Fisher King is not a messianic myth.
08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM
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Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos
09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM
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The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED.
09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM
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Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think)
10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM
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Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often...
09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM
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You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex.
09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM
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Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny.
09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM
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Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm.
09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM
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Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm.
09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM
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Atop Dragonmount, for one...
09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM
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I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering.
09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM
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You sound like Ishamael
09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM
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Re: You sound like Ishamael
09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM
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I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao
09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM
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Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao
09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM
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Seems to me that you're confused.
09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM
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The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny.
09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM
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What depresses me...
09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM
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I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent.
09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM
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