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Re: Question about Rand and Lanfear's battle before Moiraine's game-saving tackle, and other ?s _Big_Easy_ Send a noteboard - 06/02/2011 08:15:43 PM
How did Moiraine know it was Sammael ruling in Illian, when from her own PoV we know she knows almost nothing about most of the Forsaken.
How did she know it was Be'lal in Tear?

Interrogating Darkfriends, maybe. Figuring out that the suspicious new leading nobles in each nation were Forsaken would not have been hard given that seems to have figured out their presence from the behavior of the residents. With that in mind, she could have got in touch with her sources in either place (and given her two decade search for the Dragon Reborn, she would almost certainly have taken pains to put eyes and ears in two such cities with significance in end-times prophecies - Illian with its ties to the Horn of Valere, and Tear with Callandor), and gathered enough data to extrapolate which one was which. Though she asks Loial for help with info on Bel'al in Tear, and admits she does not know of the data he offers, the implication is that she DID know all the other things Loial mentions about him, and so could have figured it out from what she did know. And who knows what they might have let slip to her eavesdropping technique? Rahvin gave Mat an awful lot to go on, and Mat wasn't even trying to spy. Moiraine could certainly have used her eavesdropping trick in the same way Egwene did in LoC, albeit with greater skill.


I'm not sure I agree here. The few Forsaken we've seen dealing with minions have been pretty good about hiding their true identity. I really don't see them telling even their most trusted Darkfriends their NAME, just the fact that they are Chosen.

And even if Moiraine just HAPPENED to have Darkfriend informants in both Tear and Illian that she can get in contact with in just a few hours, nobody knows anything about Be'lal, so she would have no clue as to which Forsaken he was. It is only after she announces it is he that Loial informs her about his nickname "Netweaver".
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Question about Rand and Lanfear's battle before Moiraine's game-saving tackle, and other ?s _Big_Easy_ - 04/02/2011 01:05:56 AM 1652 Views
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he may have, but it has also been implied that the blue light was because of something special/uniqu mazza3 - 04/02/2011 09:18:02 PM 678 Views
yes *NM* Jim - 05/02/2011 03:04:19 AM 298 Views
Re: Question about Rand and Lanfear's battle before Moiraine's game-saving tackle, and other ?s Cannoli - 04/02/2011 01:52:55 AM 1009 Views
Re: Question about Rand and Lanfear's battle before Moiraine's game-saving tackle, and other ?s _Big_Easy_ - 06/02/2011 08:15:43 PM 816 Views
You're misapplying practices. Cannoli - 07/02/2011 01:08:22 PM 771 Views
Still disagree... _Big_Easy_ - 08/02/2011 06:11:38 AM 703 Views
Re: Still disagree... Cannoli - 08/02/2011 11:58:19 AM 708 Views
Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? _Big_Easy_ - 09/02/2011 05:45:13 AM 785 Views
Have YOU? Cannoli - 15/02/2011 12:47:39 AM 961 Views
She doesn't have to overhear them to know that something is fishy Lord Haart - 21/02/2011 10:35:41 AM 680 Views
There are ways of detecting a man's weaves. ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 04/02/2011 04:49:55 AM 747 Views
Some ideas Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:26:09 AM 700 Views
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Re: It might not be that hard Watcher - 04/02/2011 12:20:02 PM 782 Views
it's different Sidious - 04/02/2011 02:21:44 PM 732 Views
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nothing Sidious - 04/02/2011 02:45:52 PM 755 Views
Gestures and Weaves go hand in hand and since flows originate from the body you can logically darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:45:00 PM 747 Views
In general, only third age Aes Sedai gesture when they weave - it's a block imposed by training. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/02/2011 06:20:33 PM 788 Views
Not true darius_sedai - 08/02/2011 01:54:17 PM 591 Views
Your example proved my point - LTT only said that it was needed for certain weaves. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 04:20:28 PM 1519 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 08/02/2011 05:38:13 PM 682 Views
It's a flawed and incorrect given all the examples we've seen in the books. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:36:32 PM 577 Views
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Also... fionwe1987 - 08/02/2011 11:35:20 PM 584 Views
Well, that's partially the point I'm bringing up. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:19:07 PM 625 Views
I disagree that the better assumption is that she set complex and renewing wards darius_sedai - 10/02/2011 06:12:07 PM 807 Views
I never said she could - I said she sensed them, and felt the woman's channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:04:00 PM 616 Views
I think this is the crux of the matter Sidious - 09/02/2011 03:32:18 PM 694 Views
I think she had a ward to detect saidin, and when it was triggered, she guessed it would be Air RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:40:46 PM 672 Views
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