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Re: Contemplate this then.... redqueen Send a noteboard - 06/02/2011 12:44:21 AM
Think about the (real) world right now. How do you feel about slavery and torture? How do you feel about the whole "waterboarding" thing? Gitmo and the indefinate incarceration? Do you like these things? Are you "Ok" with it?

Now imagine if this was not just an isolated (if horrible) event, but was society wide. And guess what...no one...not even in protest....ever thought it was wrong. Instead you have a society that is so used to it, that they actually believe that the way that they are treating those individuals is correct. Is so correct that they go willingly to it.

Now ponder that for a moment. Is all that orderly society stuff really worth living in an environment that is based upon such ideals?

~Jeordam


An odd example, since our governments have effectively decided that, yes, waterboarding and torture and gulags are necessary for 'our society', on much more spurious grounds than Luthair's suspicion of channelers. Most people here don't seem too bothered about it either, beyond a bit of grumbling. Maybe we should take the plank out of our own eyes before we start criticising the Seanchan, who, from what we've seen so far, do pretty much everything better than our own state does.
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Seanchan Takeover of Randland Mordie01 - 22/01/2011 11:25:36 PM 2160 Views
I would be mostly okay with it if they abolished slavery first Deadsy - 23/01/2011 12:19:48 AM 1119 Views
Hopefully the Dragon's Peace (not the one Avi saw the effects of) those concerns. *NM* Japhy - 23/01/2011 03:21:04 AM 521 Views
You mean utter anarchy and a dangerously stratified society? Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 07:24:48 AM 899 Views
The situation in Seanchan isn't that unique ranagrande - 23/01/2011 07:49:28 AM 936 Views
Except with continous rebellion. Chas - 23/01/2011 12:13:17 PM 929 Views
That's to be expected. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 12:56:07 PM 883 Views
there's tons of problems there, but 20+ leaders/royals killed? Disaster anywhere... *NM* newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:38:57 AM 454 Views
Funny; Caemlyn's succession crises aren't nearly as bad. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 11:00:45 PM 446 Views
Rand deserves some credit, he did get involved early and held the Lion Throne for Elayne. *NM* Libby - 24/01/2011 08:47:42 AM 476 Views
The anarchy is what happens in the absence of Seanchan power. Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:10:56 PM 872 Views
Yes. That is a flaw of Seanchan governance. Ghavrel - 28/01/2011 01:54:00 AM 799 Views
It's not the Empire's fault, and that flaw is not being duplicated in the wetlands Cannoli - 28/01/2011 11:24:00 PM 1051 Views
Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 02:09:05 AM 817 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM 900 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 10:02:27 PM 750 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 30/01/2011 03:56:23 AM 955 Views
It's like you don't even read anything when you post. My posts, the books themselves... Cannoli - 02/02/2011 06:41:10 PM 925 Views
They treat channelers like DOGS! so, No. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 23/01/2011 07:56:22 AM 451 Views
I treat my dog better *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 23/01/2011 10:28:08 AM 440 Views
Good point. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 24/01/2011 01:47:29 AM 464 Views
Dogs never broke the world or created Shadowspawn, so they have it coming *NM* Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:07:32 PM 425 Views
The Pattern certainly has some plan or purpose for the Seanchan. Libby - 23/01/2011 10:59:33 AM 984 Views
That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lord Haart - 23/01/2011 11:41:35 PM 819 Views
If we're going to personify things, we should be personifying the Wheel, not the Pattern. Ghavrel - 24/01/2011 12:13:49 AM 848 Views
I think it's interesting Libby - 24/01/2011 09:23:40 AM 855 Views
There has been ta'veren since Hawkwing and before the Triple. Lohikaarme - 28/01/2011 11:56:46 AM 846 Views
Who were they? Libby - 29/01/2011 12:33:58 AM 785 Views
Re: That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lo'oris - 24/01/2011 12:38:38 PM 770 Views
Um, no newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:36:24 AM 924 Views
look around you again redhand - 23/01/2011 03:24:01 PM 883 Views
Re: look around you again Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 03:54:49 PM 869 Views
Seanchan equality before the law Zeratul - 23/01/2011 04:09:54 PM 931 Views
Re: Seanchan equality before the law Watcher - 23/01/2011 04:22:28 PM 893 Views
a) most of that is your own extrapolation, not shown in the text moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:56:14 PM 870 Views
Yes. moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:47:30 PM 866 Views
Mostly, yes. redqueen - 23/01/2011 05:57:17 PM 837 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 06:10:10 PM 864 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 06:33:00 PM 918 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 11:03:36 PM 827 Views
Not really redqueen - 23/01/2011 07:12:27 PM 841 Views
I disagree. Bergioyn - 25/01/2011 07:17:18 PM 836 Views
I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 24/01/2011 08:04:21 PM 953 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 25/01/2011 10:40:58 AM 769 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2011 05:55:13 PM 813 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 26/01/2011 12:10:54 AM 1011 Views
"We" don't know of the One Power existing, so obviously it disappears. *NM* Deadsy - 26/01/2011 12:14:19 AM 461 Views
Lack of knowledge doesn't mean the One Power vanishes or is destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2011 04:03:22 PM 769 Views
If OP still existed, you'd still have sparkers even "today". *NM* Myrdhyn - 26/01/2011 06:34:50 PM 444 Views
Not exactly; genetics are more complicated. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2011 09:48:48 PM 844 Views
No RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:41:09 PM 956 Views
Ah, um, no. Ghavrel - 29/01/2011 11:53:16 PM 857 Views
The thing is orius - 04/02/2011 05:29:15 AM 793 Views
They didn't break anything Lo'oris - 04/02/2011 02:13:10 PM 863 Views
Contemplate this then.... Jeordam - 04/02/2011 10:29:09 PM 852 Views
Re: Contemplate this then.... redqueen - 06/02/2011 12:44:21 AM 870 Views
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