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Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM
All 3 are forced but Elayne and Egwene have far more to grow in terms of % of total strength than Nynaeve. It's clear that Elayne is maybe 50% of Egwene after Egwene's damane training, so maybe in the ballpark of Verin to Egwene's Moiraine. We see that from the text.

The Forsaken scoff at Moghedien's cowardice, not outright about her strength. Her methods they find contemptible not her actual OP level. The closest comment about her strength is Graendal's comment that Moghedien was jealous of anyone stronger, which actually alludes to her being an idiot since there are obviously so few people stronger. Moghedien has specialized skills and, but judges things on raw power where the other FS judge on skill... Lancer fought off an enemy more than 2x her strength based on skill... Moghedien, if she was more skilled, should have been able to do the same. Not one comment from a FS says that Moghedien is weak in the Power, only a jealous coward.

Moghedien has at least had meetings with Graendal off screen... Graendal tells Sammael that she believed Moghedien to be dead as she missed their last meeting.

Nynaeve channels regularly to nearly her maximum in almost every scene she's in, even well before her block is broken. There is no evidence that her block stunted her strength progression, only her skill progression.
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Proof that Asmodean's effective One Power strength is greater than Moghedien's... Shannow - 03/02/2011 03:22:42 PM 2287 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 04:08:29 PM 1225 Views
Why do you deliberately misquote the text? Shannow - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1244 Views
You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1175 Views
Right. So Egwene can shield someone of Egwene's own strength, plus Elayne, AND weave a dozen flows.. Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:26:27 PM 1178 Views
fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:46:40 PM 1046 Views
No. Egwene is very close to her full potential at the time... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:44:20 PM 1153 Views
Bullshit... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 1025 Views
Unbiased view... Nargs - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1162 Views
The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 556 Views
Yeah, thats unbiased... *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 541 Views
Don't agree Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:30:02 AM 1139 Views
Fair comment, but my question then is: Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 1021 Views
I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 1029 Views
It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... Shannow - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 1032 Views
Egwene has been continually forced... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 969 Views
The direct quotes contradict you... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 1068 Views
actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1077 Views
here ya go they were all Forced darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 945 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 1030 Views
I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1200 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Shannow - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1120 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Master Ablar - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1115 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 1043 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 1069 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 1054 Views
We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 875 Views
See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 565 Views
I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1097 Views
Effective strength means who can make the bigger fireball, the stronger shield, the thicker balefire Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:42:17 PM 946 Views
I still hold to the point that your analogy is false. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:20:05 PM 1008 Views
My impression of your view, in general, is that... Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 974 Views
How... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 930 Views
If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1083 Views
Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 1035 Views
Got you now... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 1002 Views
You're clearly delusional... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 1008 Views
You sound ridiculous Nargs - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM 1024 Views
Re: You sound ridiculous Kieran - 04/02/2011 02:23:50 AM 1087 Views
Ok... Nargs - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 951 Views
Elayne is not stronger than most AS at this point in the books darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:14:41 PM 984 Views
Where on earth does it say Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did? darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:06:48 PM 1047 Views
Re: How... Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:34:21 AM 1145 Views
They're very close now... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1106 Views
That is unfortunately not true... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1092 Views
It is... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 939 Views
Re: It is... Sidious - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1195 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 966 Views
Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1359 Views
yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 1031 Views
Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1293 Views
No Sidious - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 1074 Views
CLAPS *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 593 Views
We will just have to disagree on this one... Shannow - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 961 Views
Indeed Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 959 Views
I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 1055 Views
I agree with you here darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 966 Views
I don't think that's true.. fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 907 Views
the evidence is that Aginor burnt out trying to channel the Eye and Rand didn't darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:23:50 PM 868 Views
Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1184 Views
I think this is a no brainer Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1127 Views
The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 949 Views
Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 943 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 1023 Views
spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 919 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 900 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 922 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... Shannow - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 975 Views
Nynaeve's strength Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 1018 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 653 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1105 Views
Minor quibbles aside... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1100 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 916 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 1048 Views
shrugs darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 969 Views
Re: shrugs fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 993 Views
I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 901 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 934 Views
Thanks for clarifying darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 887 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 939 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 509 Views
Cool! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 540 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 898 Views
In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1292 Views
well... Sidious - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 1030 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work Shannow - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 950 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 665 Views
I don't think Strength was higher in the AOL I think there were just more channelers darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:50:42 PM 1003 Views
Yup. fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 914 Views
Trivial darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 934 Views
Uhhh... no... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:19 PM 836 Views
Read these facts slowly, maybe you will grasp the implication then... Shannow - 06/02/2011 04:41:02 PM 999 Views
you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 1015 Views
You equate random exclusions with the deliberate block exclusion of 37.5% weakest women... Shannow - 06/02/2011 05:41:47 PM 960 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 1047 Views
That is weak logic in the extreme... Shannow - 06/02/2011 06:16:46 PM 936 Views
what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 983 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 608 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 525 Views
But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 830 Views
Amys is far from the strongest WO! fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1146 Views
Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 929 Views
And a 1000 years ago... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 959 Views
The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 1048 Views
Circular reasoning... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 989 Views
No, reasoning based on facts and what RJ said, both of which you ignore... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:34:21 PM 1242 Views
If you're going to ignore direct quotes, then we may as well stop right now... Shannow - 06/02/2011 08:42:40 PM 1069 Views
Agreed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 1041 Views
Agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 610 Views
agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 623 Views
off tangent question: Has Nynaeve yet to reach full potential or did she already after being ... Bookwyrm - 04/02/2011 08:39:29 PM 1054 Views
I think the general concensus is that after the CK she was forced to her full potential darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:44:29 PM 985 Views
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