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Re: Graendal's motivation Gerbeaud Send a noteboard - 04/02/2011 10:10:16 PM
Ok so she killed Asmodean, ok she 'probably' did it herself, not through an agent, BUT what was her GREAT MOTIVATION in killing Asmodean???

I just don't get it, and this seems to be the consesus opinion. It doesn't seem in character for Graendal to gateway 2 inches from Rand, in the heart of the Dragon Reborn with one or more Aes Sedai around (who could sense her) AND to face a male Forsaken (who there was no reason to believe she knew was shielded, and even if Lanfear told her he could have had that shield broken by then).

Putting her OWN LIFE in mortal danger just to get rid of a teacher for Rand? No no no no no no.

MAYBE using an agent, but coming in person? No, this isnt the Cleansing; no one was forcing her to do it.

Ok, so now let's take a different tact. She wasn't there to murder Asmodean, she just so happened to have taken advantage of the situation. Hmmm... what the hell was she 'just doing there'?

She came to spy IN PERSON? Why??? She has tons of eyes and ears, BA and Darkfriends at her disposal, why put her life at risk???

With Graendal's personality it seems akin to the Queen of England going out to buy toilet paper, it just doesnt make sense when you have people to do those things for you.

She doesnt take risks on her life unless she has to, she doesnt need to come in person to spy, and if she didnt come to murder him then she really has no purpose of being there. If she did come to murder him she took an exceptional risk to get herself killed or captured.

What if Rand had been there WITH Asmodean? He was with him almost all of the time, so there was a definite chance of Rand being there at that moment. Would she really have taken the chance to face an unshielded Asmodean AND Rand?

What if she didnt know that Moirane was gone? She surely would have had her ass balefired so fast her head would spin!!!

I dont know what RJ really intended and we will probably never know, but it makes little logical sense it would be Graendal. It totally seems like a retcon of the story, a way to point at Graendal and lay more blame at her feet. I think I'd eat my hat if I could see an original paper with RJ stating it was Graendal.

Who had the most motivation of anyone? Lanfear of course. If it wasnt for Asmodean, Rand probably wouldnt have been able to even fend Lanfear off. If Graendal could be written to have escaped the balefiring of her palace by looking through the eyes of a bird using the True Power and Arangar could be written to be stupid enough to sit there and not move her ass while she could feel Rand pulling in gargantuan amounts of Saidin then I think a story could have been written to allow Lanfear to exact her revenge on Asmodean.

Irregardless, WHAT do YOU think was Graendal's 'motivation' in purposely coming to murder Asmodean OR even purposely coming within 2 inches of Rand, Asmodean, and other Aes Sedai to 'accidentally' have the chance to kill Asmodean?


Wasn't there a standing order for any of the Forsaken to remove/capture Asmodean because his teachings were helping Rand?
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Graendal's motivation malekithe - 04/02/2011 07:26:08 AM 1639 Views
Re: Graendal's motivation Timthetrolloc - 04/02/2011 10:28:27 AM 1120 Views
Re: Graendal's motivation Watcher - 04/02/2011 12:10:19 PM 755 Views
Maybe she thought to rifle through the sa'/ter'/angreal cache that Rand and co got from Rhuidean ... Bookwyrm - 04/02/2011 03:30:28 PM 696 Views
Yes, which could be why she was in a random hallway. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:48:05 PM 657 Views
I'll give you part of that.... Jeordam - 04/02/2011 10:13:42 PM 730 Views
Re: I'll give you part of that.... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 11:52:50 PM 652 Views
Except for the fact.... Jeordam - 04/02/2011 10:11:23 PM 728 Views
I always thought she went to search for *angreal Ava - 04/02/2011 05:59:06 PM 705 Views
Can you imagine if Graendal got the angreal bracelet instead of Lanfear? Oh the possibilities! *NM* Bookwyrm - 04/02/2011 08:46:56 PM 373 Views
There could be a secondary market for 'What If...' WOT fanfiction released to the market RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 11:54:33 PM 657 Views
Answers so far.. malekithe - 04/02/2011 06:05:04 PM 764 Views
Re: Answers so far.. Zeratul - 04/02/2011 07:13:18 PM 1276 Views
Graendal is an absolute control freak. She would not entrust/risk BA or Compelled minions with ... Bookwyrm - 04/02/2011 08:29:19 PM 706 Views
Re: Answers so far.. Ava - 05/02/2011 03:11:34 PM 713 Views
Who said that she had to have a motivation? Jeordam - 04/02/2011 10:08:45 PM 786 Views
Re: Who said that she had to have a motivation? Jim - 05/02/2011 04:55:40 AM 666 Views
Re: Who said that she had to have a motivation? malekithe - 06/02/2011 08:30:38 AM 661 Views
Re: Graendal's motivation Gerbeaud - 04/02/2011 10:10:16 PM 858 Views
I still don't think she killed him. *NM* ranagrande - 05/02/2011 02:08:20 AM 353 Views
She had to know what was going on and fast.... DomA - 05/02/2011 02:28:11 AM 978 Views
As always very well summed up! *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 04:11:08 PM 346 Views
Re: She had to know what was going on and fast.... malekithe - 06/02/2011 08:36:22 AM 909 Views
I think that's the point darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:19:04 PM 663 Views
self defense Jim - 05/02/2011 04:53:12 AM 760 Views
Re: self defense malekithe - 06/02/2011 08:39:56 AM 681 Views
I've struggled with this too. My thoughts so far... ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 07/02/2011 05:07:45 AM 675 Views
Re: No disguise because Watcher - 07/02/2011 12:10:34 PM 741 Views
Re: No disguise because rAndy aL - 09/02/2011 11:10:09 PM 717 Views
Isn't Jordan explicitly on the record saying it was an "attack of opportunity"? i.e., no motive. Tom - 11/02/2011 04:23:33 PM 650 Views
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