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I still hold to the point that your analogy is false. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 04/02/2011 04:20:05 PM
The strongest woman should be able to match the feats of the strongest man. But I'm saying through the combination of strength and dexterity, Moghedien is less powerful than Asmodean when it comes to creating physical effects with the One Power.


But neither is the most powerful male or female channeler, so you can't really infer whether Moghedien or Asmo is effectively stronger, especially when you throw a sa'angreal into the mix. While you could make a good argument that Asmodean can hold more of the One Power than Moghedien, you don't really have any evidence comparing their feats to make a comparison. It is also possible that Lanfear could be able to hold only a little more of the One Power than Asmodean could, while being able to generate effects that are equal in magnitude to anything Lews Therin could do. Even though we are told that males and females are essentially equal on average, this cuts the other way as well: merely having more strength doesn't necessarily make a channeler effectively stronger than another - in fact, we've seen over and over again that despite any strength gap, the top level Forsaken are pretty evenly matched to the point where only the Dark One's intercession prevents them from going against one another to eliminate rivals. The properties of saidar could mean that a female at 60% is equally able to match the capacity of a male at 80% on the scale, though there might be areas where one or the other would be superior, whereas the average woman and the average man would be effectively equal in all areas.
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Proof that Asmodean's effective One Power strength is greater than Moghedien's... - 03/02/2011 03:22:42 PM 2223 Views
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Why do you deliberately misquote the text? - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1174 Views
You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1105 Views
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Bullshit... - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 957 Views
Unbiased view... - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1071 Views
The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 529 Views
Yeah, thats unbiased... *NM* - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 515 Views
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Fair comment, but my question then is: - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 939 Views
I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 956 Views
It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 940 Views
Egwene has been continually forced... - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 898 Views
The direct quotes contradict you... - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 987 Views
actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1004 Views
here ya go they were all Forced - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 871 Views
Nope... - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 957 Views
I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1137 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1046 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1047 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 974 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 992 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 989 Views
We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 804 Views
See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 535 Views
I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1019 Views
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I still hold to the point that your analogy is false. - 04/02/2011 04:20:05 PM 945 Views
My impression of your view, in general, is that... - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 893 Views
How... - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 856 Views
If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1010 Views
Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 958 Views
Got you now... - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 936 Views
You're clearly delusional... - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 939 Views
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Ok... - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 883 Views
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They're very close now... - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1030 Views
That is unfortunately not true... - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1015 Views
It is... - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 866 Views
Re: It is... - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1121 Views
Yup... - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 874 Views
Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1291 Views
yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 959 Views
Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1226 Views
No - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 999 Views
CLAPS *NM* - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 565 Views
We will just have to disagree on this one... - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 891 Views
Indeed - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 882 Views
I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 980 Views
I agree with you here - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 893 Views
I don't think that's true.. - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 831 Views
Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1093 Views
I think this is a no brainer - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1040 Views
The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 881 Views
Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 878 Views
Disagree... - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 953 Views
spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 859 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 858 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 843 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 896 Views
Nynaeve's strength - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 952 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 622 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1032 Views
Minor quibbles aside... - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1030 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 843 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 979 Views
shrugs - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 905 Views
Re: shrugs - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 906 Views
I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 832 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 887 Views
Thanks for clarifying - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 804 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 865 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 480 Views
Cool! *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 523 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 819 Views
In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1213 Views
well... - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 955 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 877 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 628 Views
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Yup. - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 853 Views
Trivial - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 868 Views
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you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 952 Views
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wrong - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 985 Views
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what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 914 Views
Yes. *NM* - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 576 Views
Yes. *NM* - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 502 Views
But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 754 Views
Amys is far from the strongest WO! - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1067 Views
Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 861 Views
And a 1000 years ago... - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 885 Views
The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 976 Views
Circular reasoning... - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 921 Views
Agreed. - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 964 Views
Agree. *NM* - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 584 Views
agreed *NM* - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 601 Views

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