Wheel of Time Messageboard: Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... by ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ

Huh? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 04:08:29 PM 1236 Views

Why do you deliberately misquote the text? Shannow - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1252 Views

You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1187 Views

Right. So Egwene can shield someone of Egwene's own strength, plus Elayne, AND weave a dozen flows.. Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:26:27 PM 1189 Views

fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:46:40 PM 1059 Views

No. Egwene is very close to her full potential at the time... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:44:20 PM 1164 Views

Bullshit... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 1036 Views

Unbiased view... Nargs - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1174 Views

The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 560 Views

Yeah, thats unbiased...

*NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 545 Views

Don't agree Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:30:02 AM 1151 Views

Fair comment, but my question then is: Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 1035 Views

I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 1041 Views

It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... Shannow - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 1045 Views

Egwene has been continually forced... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 981 Views

The direct quotes contradict you... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 1083 Views

actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1089 Views

here ya go they were all Forced darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 956 Views

Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 1040 Views

I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1211 Views

Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Shannow - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1130 Views

Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Master Ablar - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1129 Views

Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 1053 Views

Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 1079 Views

Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 1065 Views

We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 888 Views

See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 570 Views

I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1110 Views

Effective strength means who can make the bigger fireball, the stronger shield, the thicker balefire Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:42:17 PM 957 Views

I still hold to the point that your analogy is false. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:20:05 PM 1019 Views

My impression of your view, in general, is that... Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 988 Views

How... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 942 Views

If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1099 Views

Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 1056 Views

Got you now... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 1013 Views

You're clearly delusional... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 1017 Views

You sound ridiculous Nargs - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM 1040 Views

Re: You sound ridiculous Kieran - 04/02/2011 02:23:50 AM 1098 Views

Ok... Nargs - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 964 Views

Elayne is not stronger than most AS at this point in the books darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:14:41 PM 995 Views

Where on earth does it say Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did? darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:06:48 PM 1060 Views

Re: How... Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:34:21 AM 1157 Views

They're very close now... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1119 Views

That is unfortunately not true... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1107 Views

It is... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 954 Views

Re: It is... Sidious - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1206 Views

Yup... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 979 Views

Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1371 Views

yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 1050 Views

Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1309 Views

No Sidious - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 1089 Views

CLAPS *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 598 Views

We will just have to disagree on this one... Shannow - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 971 Views

Indeed Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 971 Views

I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 1066 Views

I agree with you here darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 979 Views

I don't think that's true.. fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 920 Views

the evidence is that Aginor burnt out trying to channel the Eye and Rand didn't darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:23:50 PM 887 Views

Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1193 Views

I think this is a no brainer Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1136 Views

The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 959 Views

Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 955 Views

Disagree... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 1038 Views

spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 933 Views

The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 910 Views

Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 932 Views

Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... Shannow - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 986 Views

Nynaeve's strength Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 1029 Views

Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 657 Views

I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1118 Views

Minor quibbles aside... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1108 Views

Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 925 Views

Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 1060 Views

shrugs darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 984 Views

Re: shrugs fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 1012 Views

I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 914 Views

I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 946 Views

Thanks for clarifying darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 899 Views

Re: Thanks for clarifying fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 950 Views

fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 513 Views

Cool! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 547 Views

Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 913 Views

In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1304 Views

well... Sidious - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 1041 Views

Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work Shannow - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 961 Views

Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 668 Views

I don't think Strength was higher in the AOL I think there were just more channelers darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:50:42 PM 1014 Views

Yup. fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 925 Views

Trivial darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 946 Views

Uhhh... no... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:19 PM 847 Views

Read these facts slowly, maybe you will grasp the implication then... Shannow - 06/02/2011 04:41:02 PM 1015 Views

you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 1026 Views

You equate random exclusions with the deliberate block exclusion of 37.5% weakest women... Shannow - 06/02/2011 05:41:47 PM 975 Views

wrong darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 1058 Views

That is weak logic in the extreme... Shannow - 06/02/2011 06:16:46 PM 948 Views

what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 993 Views

Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 612 Views

Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 529 Views

But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 845 Views

Amys is far from the strongest WO! fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1171 Views

Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 940 Views

And a 1000 years ago... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 975 Views

The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 1058 Views

Circular reasoning... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 1000 Views

No, reasoning based on facts and what RJ said, both of which you ignore... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:34:21 PM 1253 Views

If you're going to ignore direct quotes, then we may as well stop right now... Shannow - 06/02/2011 08:42:40 PM 1084 Views

Agreed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 1054 Views

Agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 613 Views

agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 627 Views

off tangent question: Has Nynaeve yet to reach full potential or did she already after being ... Bookwyrm - 04/02/2011 08:39:29 PM 1066 Views

I think the general concensus is that after the CK she was forced to her full potential darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:44:29 PM 997 Views

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