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We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM
RJ meant that a woman at 70% of the female maximum can match a man at 70% of the male maximum, even though the man has greater raw strength, thanks to her greater dexterity.


Yes.

But dexterity won't allow her to match a man at 75% or 80% of the male maximum. And that's what i'm saying. Asmodean is closer to the male maximum than Moghedien is to the female maximum.


The first part is somewhat incorrect. Dexterity alone can't enable a woman who is not equal in rough effectiveness to match a stronger man, but that is where skill, ability, Talents and personality come into play. For much of the early part of the series, while Rand was much stronger in the Power than any single Aes Sedai, he could be easily defeated by any one of them because his training was nonexistent and they were more experienced.

I guess this would prove that Asmodean can handle more of the Power than Moghedien, but we really can't say anything about eithers' effective strength. Moghedien, quite frankly, seemed more potent because she survived for quite a while to fight another day. As soon as Asmodean became involved in a plot, he was beaten and completely defeated.

Also, I'm not sure if it was ever said that Rand and Asmodean were equal in strength; I thought the statement was that each was drawing exactly one half of the total power available through the sa'angreal. Considering how tired both were, I'm not sure if this is an accurate indication that they were both equal to begin with or simply that both were exhausted to the point where each had exactly the same magnification effect despite being unequal in strength. Further, Nynaeve had her block and couldn't channel reliably while Rand was inexperienced and couldn't always touch the Source when he wanted to. I'm not sure either was effectively stronger at that point in the story. Technically, Nynaeve was effectively weaker than Elayne, Egwene and Aviendha for much of the series because her channeling ability was unreliable and she was so limited.
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Proof that Asmodean's effective One Power strength is greater than Moghedien's... - 03/02/2011 03:22:42 PM 2215 Views
Huh? - 03/02/2011 04:08:29 PM 1147 Views
Why do you deliberately misquote the text? - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1165 Views
You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1096 Views
Right. So Egwene can shield someone of Egwene's own strength, plus Elayne, AND weave a dozen flows.. - 03/02/2011 10:26:27 PM 1098 Views
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No. Egwene is very close to her full potential at the time... - 03/02/2011 11:44:20 PM 1070 Views
Bullshit... - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 950 Views
Unbiased view... - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1067 Views
The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 526 Views
Yeah, thats unbiased... *NM* - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 514 Views
Don't agree - 04/02/2011 08:30:02 AM 1084 Views
Fair comment, but my question then is: - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 929 Views
I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 948 Views
It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 930 Views
Egwene has been continually forced... - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 886 Views
The direct quotes contradict you... - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 978 Views
actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 991 Views
here ya go they were all Forced - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 860 Views
Nope... - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 950 Views
I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1126 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1040 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1044 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 965 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 982 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 985 Views
We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 798 Views
See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 532 Views
I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1010 Views
My impression of your view, in general, is that... - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 883 Views
How... - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 848 Views
If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1002 Views
Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 955 Views
Got you now... - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 929 Views
You're clearly delusional... - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 934 Views
You sound ridiculous - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM 925 Views
Re: You sound ridiculous - 04/02/2011 02:23:50 AM 1016 Views
Ok... - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 877 Views
Elayne is not stronger than most AS at this point in the books - 04/02/2011 08:14:41 PM 908 Views
Re: How... - 04/02/2011 08:34:21 AM 1071 Views
They're very close now... - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1021 Views
That is unfortunately not true... - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1010 Views
It is... - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 857 Views
Re: It is... - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1112 Views
Yup... - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 864 Views
Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1284 Views
yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 952 Views
Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1217 Views
No - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 991 Views
CLAPS *NM* - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 563 Views
We will just have to disagree on this one... - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 885 Views
Indeed - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 861 Views
I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 971 Views
I agree with you here - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 881 Views
I don't think that's true.. - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 821 Views
Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1082 Views
I think this is a no brainer - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1032 Views
The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 872 Views
Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 866 Views
Disagree... - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 940 Views
spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 853 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 850 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 832 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 892 Views
Nynaeve's strength - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 944 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 619 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1023 Views
Minor quibbles aside... - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1023 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 835 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 973 Views
shrugs - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 896 Views
Re: shrugs - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 900 Views
I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 824 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 878 Views
Thanks for clarifying - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 794 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 855 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 477 Views
Cool! *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 520 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 812 Views
In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1205 Views
well... - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 949 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 869 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 624 Views
I don't think Strength was higher in the AOL I think there were just more channelers - 06/02/2011 04:50:42 PM 924 Views
Yup. - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 841 Views
Trivial - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 862 Views
Uhhh... no... - 06/02/2011 04:18:19 PM 757 Views
Read these facts slowly, maybe you will grasp the implication then... - 06/02/2011 04:41:02 PM 914 Views
you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 944 Views
You equate random exclusions with the deliberate block exclusion of 37.5% weakest women... - 06/02/2011 05:41:47 PM 865 Views
wrong - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 972 Views
That is weak logic in the extreme... - 06/02/2011 06:16:46 PM 848 Views
what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 906 Views
Yes. *NM* - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 574 Views
Yes. *NM* - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 498 Views
But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 748 Views
Amys is far from the strongest WO! - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1057 Views
Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 854 Views
And a 1000 years ago... - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 874 Views
The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 967 Views
Circular reasoning... - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 912 Views
Agreed. - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 953 Views
Agree. *NM* - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 582 Views
agreed *NM* - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 600 Views

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