I read some of that differently. TaR tricks not working in the real world = destroying walls
newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 31/01/2011 02:09:31 AM
wouldn't translate. That's what I thought Moghedien meant...
I also got the impression that Eggy and Mesaana were trying to crush each other. The air thickening suggested it to me.
Even if Messy wasn't doing the same thing, I thought Egwene was definitely trying to "crush" Mesaana by the ultimate effect. The imagery - insect v mountain - as well as the Amyrlin's own words indicate it.
I didn't think that fight was really about just the adam... I trust your analyses, but did I read it that wrongly? Do you at least see what I read from the text, in either or both instances?
I also got the impression that Eggy and Mesaana were trying to crush each other. The air thickening suggested it to me.
Even if Messy wasn't doing the same thing, I thought Egwene was definitely trying to "crush" Mesaana by the ultimate effect. The imagery - insect v mountain - as well as the Amyrlin's own words indicate it.
I didn't think that fight was really about just the adam... I trust your analyses, but did I read it that wrongly? Do you at least see what I read from the text, in either or both instances?
a) Egwene doesn't have the knowledge necessary to do nasty things like this in TAR, not even snatching people by force into TAR from their dreams.
b) Moghedien explained to Nynaeve her tricks would work only in TAR. They would not hold in the real world.
So that leaves Compulsion, a weave Egwene knows but won't use in any circumstance...
A scheme like this Egwene would find repugnant, and it would not naturally occur to her as for all her curiosity she's never gave much thought to "nasty stuff". Her curiosity just doesn't lean that way.
"I got that Eggy "made" Mesaana into a drooling vegetable"
She didn't destroy Mesaana's mind, their contest to control TAR (which Egwene won) is what destroyed Mesaana's mind. She didn't change Mesaana permanently by imagining her with a destroyed mind or anything of the kind. Mesaana fried up her own mind by trying to hold the reality of the a'dam while Egwene denied its reality. The stronger mind won, the loser's mind was fried up.
b) Moghedien explained to Nynaeve her tricks would work only in TAR. They would not hold in the real world.
So that leaves Compulsion, a weave Egwene knows but won't use in any circumstance...
A scheme like this Egwene would find repugnant, and it would not naturally occur to her as for all her curiosity she's never gave much thought to "nasty stuff". Her curiosity just doesn't lean that way.
"I got that Eggy "made" Mesaana into a drooling vegetable"
She didn't destroy Mesaana's mind, their contest to control TAR (which Egwene won) is what destroyed Mesaana's mind. She didn't change Mesaana permanently by imagining her with a destroyed mind or anything of the kind. Mesaana fried up her own mind by trying to hold the reality of the a'dam while Egwene denied its reality. The stronger mind won, the loser's mind was fried up.
TOM SPOILERS 5 Imaginary Dollars to whoever can tell me why Egwene didn't find Elaida's dreams,
- 30/01/2011 10:18:03 PM
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Where have you got the idea Egwene or any Dreamer could do this? *NM*
- 30/01/2011 11:14:22 PM
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Remember Moggy fighting Nynaeve and Birgitte in TaR?
- 30/01/2011 11:30:37 PM
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But that's in TAR
- 30/01/2011 11:42:25 PM
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I meant "to locate Elaida *via her dreams* and pull Elaida into TAR"
- 31/01/2011 12:18:13 AM
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as to that the WO told her flat out that such things were evil and only done by the Shadow
- 31/01/2011 12:53:32 AM
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Need
- 31/01/2011 06:40:10 AM
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You are confusing being in TAR and finding/entering someone else's dream
- 31/01/2011 02:24:56 PM
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Even then... you've forgotten that....
- 31/01/2011 01:53:07 AM
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I read some of that differently. TaR tricks not working in the real world = destroying walls
- 31/01/2011 02:09:31 AM
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That is not true...
- 31/01/2011 08:27:33 PM
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Thank you very much! I was wondering if I had to do a massive re-read
- 31/01/2011 11:50:13 PM
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Re: That is not true...
- 02/02/2011 12:21:59 PM
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Well, I wasn't going to suggest that Eggy go full-hardcore and break Elaida's (Lightside) mind. *NM*
- 02/02/2011 11:24:18 PM
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On another note: I wonder if finding Elaida via her Dreams and then Skimming to her would work.
- 03/02/2011 07:27:08 PM
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Dream finding doesn't reveal location. We've been told this repeatedly. *NM*
- 03/02/2011 10:20:08 PM
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Most Aes Sedai ward their dreams.
- 31/01/2011 01:49:49 AM
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You sure on that?
- 31/01/2011 02:29:43 PM
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They DO ward their dreams...
- 31/01/2011 05:56:51 PM
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Re: DO They ward their dreams...
- 02/02/2011 02:46:12 PM
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Re: TOM SPOILERS 5 Imaginary Dollars to whoever can tell me why Egwene didn't find Elaida's dreams,
- 04/02/2011 05:10:49 AM
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