Easley tells the newly raised Siuan and Moiraine that they must defer to any Sister stronger than they and the bigger the strength margin the more deference they must show.
I will provide the exact quote when I have it handy later today.
I will provide the exact quote when I have it handy later today.
Thanks. I thought there is probably something about in New Spring, but I hadn't reread it in some time and I didn't know where to look.
I looked it up, and I guess you mean these:
If another sister stands higher than you in the Power, whatever her Ajah, you must defer to her. The higher she stands above you, the greater your deference.
"Do we have to obey them?" Siuan asked, finally giving in and standing, and Eadyth sighed heavily.
"I thought I was quite clear, Siuan. The higher she stands above you, the greater your deference.
"I thought I was quite clear, Siuan. The higher she stands above you, the greater your deference.
At what point does deference become obedience? Even if she did not call it so, that is what she meant. We must observe the other sisters closely, and until we know for certain, we must err on the side of prudence.
It's still somewhat vague. "The higher she stands above you" may be in relative terms among the Aes Sedai. And as we see, the new Aes Sedai even after this explanation are not sure at what point deference turns into obedience, which is probably the case
with Elayne and Nynaeve too. They are so far above in strength than those Aes Sedai who were with them in Ebou Dar and later Caemlyn, that they don't need to look out for the finer nuances once they were accepted as full Aes Sedai by them.
Anyway, if the ranking is based on raw strength no matter how how many Aes Sedai are between the two in question, I don't think we can get much info about their respective strength in the Power from the Elayne - Nynaeve power dynamic after they became Aes Sedai. They are close friends and don't care all that much for the Aes Sedai customs, which are new to them too, so the whole deference thing between them is very rarely brought up. Elayne acknowledges that Nynaeve has final authority when it comes to Aes Sedai business (for example what to do with Alivia when she asked to be freed). Nynaeve was about to attempt a direct order once, but judging by the quote in my previous post, neither of them knew whether Elayne would've been required to obey according to the Aes Sedai custom. Besides, Nynaeve in Caemlyn was in a delicate position since Elayne was the Daughter-heir and thus had the authority in the palace, so Nynaeve ordering her, even on strictly Aes Sedai business, would've probably led to some troublesome situations. Earlier in Ebou Dar at first they weren't really accepted into the Aes Sedai ranking structure before Elayne forced Merillile the others to recognise their standing, and after that Nynaeve was too busy mooning about Lan to care about that.
Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve?
22/01/2011 06:54:36 PM
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It's a nice idea, really
22/01/2011 07:04:03 PM
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we don't know the strength difference between Cadsuane and Nynaeve
22/01/2011 08:55:48 PM
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Nynaeve is of course roughly twice as strong as Cadsuane...
24/01/2011 10:26:49 PM
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you and your assumptions crack me up ... there is zero evidence that Nyn is 2x Cadsuane
26/01/2011 04:41:33 PM
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Waits for the candle flame vs. bonfire quote to appear...
26/01/2011 05:01:28 PM
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*blows out the friggin candle* ... why does anyone take EoTW Moiraine quotes seriously?
26/01/2011 09:41:53 PM
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tGH, but I agree...
27/01/2011 04:58:08 AM
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Re: tGH, but I agree...
27/01/2011 07:29:15 AM
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I think it's a matter of perspective too
27/01/2011 05:12:29 PM
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Nynaeve temporarily holds Logain shielded on her own, while 5 average strength Aes Sedai cannot...
27/01/2011 05:35:26 PM
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Another inconsistency ... since 4 women held a shield on Rand who is Stronger than Logain EDIT
27/01/2011 07:47:31 PM
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Not an inconsistency and if you analyse it...
27/01/2011 08:21:39 PM
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I'm not dismissing the quote I'm saying 6 weak women held Logain
27/01/2011 09:21:34 PM
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Circular logic...
27/01/2011 09:49:40 PM
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Explain to me how Moghedien is only 60% of Lanfear and managed to do anything?
28/01/2011 06:25:28 PM
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Easy. And I dispute that all 6 women shielding Logain were only 10% stronger than an Accepted.
29/01/2011 12:42:54 PM
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Not even gonna bother ... So many flawed statements in here it's not worth the effort to correct you *NM*
29/01/2011 04:50:01 PM
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Wait... what?
27/01/2011 11:16:32 PM
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Re: Wait... what?
28/01/2011 12:26:22 AM
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Nope...
28/01/2011 01:24:18 AM
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Yeah, but...
28/01/2011 12:53:26 PM
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Therer is a direct quote in New Spring
28/01/2011 02:20:40 PM
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Thanks
28/01/2011 04:05:47 PM
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That's your evidence? You mean like Caddy defers to Nynaeve?
28/01/2011 02:29:46 PM
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It will be someone who was alive at some point during the series...
22/01/2011 07:11:57 PM
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Strength in the Power and skill in the Power are not the same thing.
22/01/2011 10:33:12 PM
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true, but nearly 300 years ago when she was a new AS she had yet to learn that lesson
23/01/2011 04:49:33 PM
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Possibly? But unlikely.
23/01/2011 11:12:01 PM
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The 6 are...
24/01/2011 10:09:33 PM
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I disagree. If anything Semirhage is at the same strength level
24/01/2011 11:10:30 PM
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Agree and disagree...
25/01/2011 10:44:26 AM
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Re: Agree and disagree...
25/01/2011 11:04:11 PM
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I didn't say Semirhage is definitely one of the 6, but his answer leaves it as a viable possibility.
26/01/2011 07:36:52 AM
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I'd disagree with that statement. I think he definitively ruled her out with his comment
26/01/2011 04:40:14 PM
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Lanfear and Cyndane are the same person *NM*
25/01/2011 10:24:15 AM
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I think Shannows' point is that even with reduced strength, Lanfear is still the most powerful
25/01/2011 05:30:34 PM
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Re: The 6 are...
25/01/2011 10:51:40 PM
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This seems like the most likely case to me, but Sommeryn is unsubstantiated to date
26/01/2011 04:43:27 PM
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I think there's a stronger case for Someryn than most women
26/01/2011 05:07:03 PM
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I agree that she is the most likely candidate, but there is nothing beyond speculation
26/01/2011 09:45:27 PM
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Talaan isn't stronger. She is the same strength and has been actively channeling for 6 years
24/01/2011 11:14:31 PM
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Not necessarily
25/01/2011 08:07:02 PM
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But that doesn't answer why a toothless wilder in a backwoods hut would have drawn
26/01/2011 04:49:33 PM
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nah
25/01/2011 10:55:10 PM
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it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments
26/01/2011 04:47:32 PM
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Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments
26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM
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I can see that as a possibility too
26/01/2011 10:22:02 PM
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