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Re: Wait... what? Zeratul Send a noteboard - 28/01/2011 12:26:22 AM

And there's a simple reason why we can be fairly sure Egwene and co. aren't much weaker than Nynaeve. Not once do any of these women (especially Elayne) think about how much they need to defer to Nynaeve, even in public. Yet Elayne, for one, makes strength comparisons with other AS to determine the level of deference all the time. That's a subtle clue that Elayne is not much weaker than Nynaeve.

Not sure about that. First, Egwene doesn't count here, she's the Amyrlin, so she's the top Aes Sedai by default no matter the strength. Before that she didn't know the ranking system the Aes Sedai used.

As for Elayne, since for now only Egwene is between Elayne and Nynaeve in strength among the Aes Sedai, whether Nynaeve is 20% or 3 times stronger than Elayne shouldn't matter in determining the level of deference required. At least as I understand the custom.
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Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:54:36 PM 2090 Views
It's a nice idea, really newyorkersedai - 22/01/2011 07:04:03 PM 1143 Views
we don't know the strength difference between Cadsuane and Nynaeve darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:55:48 PM 1078 Views
Nynaeve is of course roughly twice as strong as Cadsuane... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:26:49 PM 1176 Views
Still sticking to the nonsense I see... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:14:12 AM 991 Views
you and your assumptions crack me up ... there is zero evidence that Nyn is 2x Cadsuane darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:41:33 PM 1002 Views
Waits for the candle flame vs. bonfire quote to appear... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2011 05:01:28 PM 1037 Views
*blows out the friggin candle* ... why does anyone take EoTW Moiraine quotes seriously? darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:41:53 PM 1009 Views
tGH, but I agree... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 04:58:08 AM 1083 Views
Re: tGH, but I agree... Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:29:15 AM 931 Views
I think it's a matter of perspective too darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 05:12:29 PM 879 Views
Nynaeve temporarily holds Logain shielded on her own, while 5 average strength Aes Sedai cannot... Shannow - 27/01/2011 05:35:26 PM 790 Views
Another inconsistency ... since 4 women held a shield on Rand who is Stronger than Logain EDIT darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 07:47:31 PM 901 Views
Not an inconsistency and if you analyse it... Shannow - 27/01/2011 08:21:39 PM 1115 Views
I'm not dismissing the quote I'm saying 6 weak women held Logain darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 09:21:34 PM 925 Views
Circular logic... Shannow - 27/01/2011 09:49:40 PM 997 Views
Explain to me how Moghedien is only 60% of Lanfear and managed to do anything? darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 06:25:28 PM 1033 Views
Easy. And I dispute that all 6 women shielding Logain were only 10% stronger than an Accepted. Shannow - 29/01/2011 12:42:54 PM 769 Views
Not even gonna bother ... So many flawed statements in here it's not worth the effort to correct you *NM* darius_sedai - 29/01/2011 04:50:01 PM 451 Views
Wait... what? fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 11:16:32 PM 854 Views
Re: Wait... what? Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:26:22 AM 802 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 01:24:18 AM 894 Views
Yeah, but... Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:53:26 PM 941 Views
Therer is a direct quote in New Spring darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 02:20:40 PM 915 Views
Yup... *NM* fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:42:15 PM 482 Views
Thanks Zeratul - 28/01/2011 04:05:47 PM 967 Views
Not really the case though darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 04:54:28 PM 760 Views
That's your evidence? You mean like Caddy defers to Nynaeve? Shannow - 28/01/2011 02:29:46 PM 862 Views
So Elayne is Cadsunae in you stupid play? fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:44:07 PM 824 Views
Getting hot under the collar and irrational again, I see... Shannow - 28/01/2011 03:01:14 PM 779 Views
right tGH but still! *NM* darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:02:57 PM 426 Views
It will be someone who was alive at some point during the series... Shannow - 22/01/2011 07:11:57 PM 1086 Views
it's obviously a stretch, just a random thought darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 1092 Views
Strength in the Power and skill in the Power are not the same thing. Ghavrel - 22/01/2011 10:33:12 PM 916 Views
true, but nearly 300 years ago when she was a new AS she had yet to learn that lesson darius_sedai - 23/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 898 Views
Possibly? But unlikely. redqueen - 23/01/2011 11:12:01 PM 861 Views
The 6 are... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:09:33 PM 1182 Views
I disagree. If anything Semirhage is at the same strength level darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:10:30 PM 950 Views
Agree and disagree... Shannow - 25/01/2011 10:44:26 AM 908 Views
Re: Agree and disagree... Sidious - 25/01/2011 11:04:11 PM 843 Views
I didn't say Semirhage is definitely one of the 6, but his answer leaves it as a viable possibility. Shannow - 26/01/2011 07:36:52 AM 957 Views
I'd disagree with that statement. I think he definitively ruled her out with his comment darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:40:14 PM 759 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:15:59 PM 841 Views
Lanfear and Cyndane are the same person *NM* Vidarfe - 25/01/2011 10:24:15 AM 420 Views
I think Shannows' point is that even with reduced strength, Lanfear is still the most powerful RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:30:34 PM 909 Views
Re: The 6 are... Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:51:40 PM 970 Views
This seems like the most likely case to me, but Sommeryn is unsubstantiated to date darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:43:27 PM 784 Views
I think there's a stronger case for Someryn than most women Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:07:03 PM 937 Views
I agree that she is the most likely candidate, but there is nothing beyond speculation darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:45:27 PM 810 Views
Talaan isn't stronger. She is the same strength and has been actively channeling for 6 years darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:14:31 PM 909 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/01/2011 03:56:00 PM 854 Views
Possible... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:17:42 AM 828 Views
none whatsoever ... purely speculating here *NM* darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:44:15 PM 368 Views
Not necessarily sleepinghour - 25/01/2011 08:07:02 PM 774 Views
But that doesn't answer why a toothless wilder in a backwoods hut would have drawn darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 865 Views
nah Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:55:10 PM 1089 Views
it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:47:32 PM 996 Views
Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM 879 Views
I can see that as a possibility too darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 10:22:02 PM 883 Views
Re: I can see that as a possibility too Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:38:31 AM 975 Views
we'll always disagree I suppose darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:47:42 PM 932 Views
Strongest since the breaking? I disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/08/2011 01:09:37 PM 1100 Views
I doubt it. Gher - 26/01/2011 03:53:33 AM 900 Views
Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? ljgibbs - 26/01/2011 09:31:36 AM 988 Views
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