Another inconsistency ... since 4 women held a shield on Rand who is Stronger than Logain EDIT
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 27/01/2011 07:47:31 PM
not to mention a few flaws in your thinking ...
1. Nynaeve put a shield on Logain that she admitted to herself wasn't going to hold if he even tried to break it ... the scene makes it clear that Logain could have quite easily have broken Nynaeve's shield if he had made the effort.
2. Odds are the weakest sisters in the camp were relegated to holding Logain's shield ... things like this are always relegated to the weakest (as Cadsuane notes when they are holding Semirhage). The women holding that shield were likely even weaker than Siuan's new strength so your assumption that 5-6 women of 2x Daigian level is what would be required to hold Logain doesn't really hold water. Odds are Logain could be held by the equivalent of 7x Daigian strength ... I believe Nynaeve to be about 6x Daigian(or about 2x Moiraine), which is why he could have broken her shield but not a shield held by 5-6 weak AS. Egwene is about 2x Sheriam (from the Amys + Melaine quote) which makes her approximately 5x Daigian.
1. Nynaeve put a shield on Logain that she admitted to herself wasn't going to hold if he even tried to break it ... the scene makes it clear that Logain could have quite easily have broken Nynaeve's shield if he had made the effort.
2. Odds are the weakest sisters in the camp were relegated to holding Logain's shield ... things like this are always relegated to the weakest (as Cadsuane notes when they are holding Semirhage). The women holding that shield were likely even weaker than Siuan's new strength so your assumption that 5-6 women of 2x Daigian level is what would be required to hold Logain doesn't really hold water. Odds are Logain could be held by the equivalent of 7x Daigian strength ... I believe Nynaeve to be about 6x Daigian(or about 2x Moiraine), which is why he could have broken her shield but not a shield held by 5-6 weak AS. Egwene is about 2x Sheriam (from the Amys + Melaine quote) which makes her approximately 5x Daigian.
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This message last edited by darius_sedai on 27/01/2011 at 08:10:30 PM
Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve?
22/01/2011 06:54:36 PM
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It's a nice idea, really
22/01/2011 07:04:03 PM
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we don't know the strength difference between Cadsuane and Nynaeve
22/01/2011 08:55:48 PM
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Nynaeve is of course roughly twice as strong as Cadsuane...
24/01/2011 10:26:49 PM
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you and your assumptions crack me up ... there is zero evidence that Nyn is 2x Cadsuane
26/01/2011 04:41:33 PM
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Waits for the candle flame vs. bonfire quote to appear...
26/01/2011 05:01:28 PM
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*blows out the friggin candle* ... why does anyone take EoTW Moiraine quotes seriously?
26/01/2011 09:41:53 PM
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tGH, but I agree...
27/01/2011 04:58:08 AM
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Re: tGH, but I agree...
27/01/2011 07:29:15 AM
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I think it's a matter of perspective too
27/01/2011 05:12:29 PM
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Nynaeve temporarily holds Logain shielded on her own, while 5 average strength Aes Sedai cannot...
27/01/2011 05:35:26 PM
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Another inconsistency ... since 4 women held a shield on Rand who is Stronger than Logain EDIT
27/01/2011 07:47:31 PM
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Not an inconsistency and if you analyse it...
27/01/2011 08:21:39 PM
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I'm not dismissing the quote I'm saying 6 weak women held Logain
27/01/2011 09:21:34 PM
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Circular logic...
27/01/2011 09:49:40 PM
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Explain to me how Moghedien is only 60% of Lanfear and managed to do anything?
28/01/2011 06:25:28 PM
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Easy. And I dispute that all 6 women shielding Logain were only 10% stronger than an Accepted.
29/01/2011 12:42:54 PM
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Not even gonna bother ... So many flawed statements in here it's not worth the effort to correct you *NM*
29/01/2011 04:50:01 PM
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Wait... what?
27/01/2011 11:16:32 PM
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Re: Wait... what?
28/01/2011 12:26:22 AM
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Nope...
28/01/2011 01:24:18 AM
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Yeah, but...
28/01/2011 12:53:26 PM
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Therer is a direct quote in New Spring
28/01/2011 02:20:40 PM
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That's your evidence? You mean like Caddy defers to Nynaeve?
28/01/2011 02:29:46 PM
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It will be someone who was alive at some point during the series...
22/01/2011 07:11:57 PM
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Strength in the Power and skill in the Power are not the same thing.
22/01/2011 10:33:12 PM
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true, but nearly 300 years ago when she was a new AS she had yet to learn that lesson
23/01/2011 04:49:33 PM
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Possibly? But unlikely.
23/01/2011 11:12:01 PM
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The 6 are...
24/01/2011 10:09:33 PM
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I disagree. If anything Semirhage is at the same strength level
24/01/2011 11:10:30 PM
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Agree and disagree...
25/01/2011 10:44:26 AM
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Re: Agree and disagree...
25/01/2011 11:04:11 PM
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I didn't say Semirhage is definitely one of the 6, but his answer leaves it as a viable possibility.
26/01/2011 07:36:52 AM
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I'd disagree with that statement. I think he definitively ruled her out with his comment
26/01/2011 04:40:14 PM
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Lanfear and Cyndane are the same person *NM*
25/01/2011 10:24:15 AM
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I think Shannows' point is that even with reduced strength, Lanfear is still the most powerful
25/01/2011 05:30:34 PM
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Re: The 6 are...
25/01/2011 10:51:40 PM
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This seems like the most likely case to me, but Sommeryn is unsubstantiated to date
26/01/2011 04:43:27 PM
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I think there's a stronger case for Someryn than most women
26/01/2011 05:07:03 PM
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I agree that she is the most likely candidate, but there is nothing beyond speculation
26/01/2011 09:45:27 PM
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Talaan isn't stronger. She is the same strength and has been actively channeling for 6 years
24/01/2011 11:14:31 PM
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Not necessarily
25/01/2011 08:07:02 PM
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But that doesn't answer why a toothless wilder in a backwoods hut would have drawn
26/01/2011 04:49:33 PM
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nah
25/01/2011 10:55:10 PM
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it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments
26/01/2011 04:47:32 PM
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Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments
26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM
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I can see that as a possibility too
26/01/2011 10:22:02 PM
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