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we'll always disagree I suppose darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 27/01/2011 04:47:42 PM
I tend to see Cadsuane as the "middle ground" you refer to and Egwene yet another rung up from that ... IMO Cadsuane is 2x an average AS (say Verin), Egwene 2x a strong AS (Sheriam) and Nynaeve 2x a Very Strong AS (Moiraine) ... the proof is in the books that Cadsuane is a long step above all other AS and there are at least strong hints that there is a long step up to Egwene given that Bode is likely stronger than Cadsuane but still weaker than Egwene, and Nicola may well have also been between Cadsuane and Egwene.

Egwene was about Moiraine's level at the start of TSR (maybe a bit stronger from her comments to Rand), but Elayne was significantly below her at this point ...

TSR
Into the Palace

Egeanin, arms folded in front of the doors, seemed ready to let it go on, but Elayne wove flows of Air around Amathera's waist. To her surprise she was able to lift her off the already senseless woman and set her on her feet. Perhaps learning how to handle those heavy weavings from Jorin had increased her strength.

We know from Siuan's later comments that she was once strong enough to lift about 3x her own body weight and here we have Elayne being surprised at being able to lift a single woman and noting that her strength must have grown between the Rand encounter and this moment at the tail end of TSR.

Rand essentially overwhelmed a Moiraine level woman and a woman likely not much above average AS strength ... maybe Verin strength at most. This is not a surprise since not much later we see Verin and Alanna linked even less effective against Rand!

I think people often forget that Egwene has been pretty far ahead of Elayne in strength for most of the series. It's clear that Elayne was maybe 50-60% of Egwene in current strength when they encountered Rand. And Egwene was probably at about 60% of her maximum in this encounter.

The real problem I see in the consistency is how strong AS really are ... there is a wide range of quotes that contradict where AS strength stands. I agree that the average women are very much weaker than FS level, but the Strongest seem to be closer to 50% of that level. And IIRC Brandon has come out and said the strength range of AS is much larger than we all seem to think... which is logical given Siuan was about 3x Daigian, and Daigian would fall right around the lowest end of average female strength on a Bell Curve.

I also think there is plenty of evidence showing that Nynaeve and all of the Forsaken basically make up about the top 10% (or so) of the strength curve with Egwene and co in the next rung and then Cadsuane/Bode/Nicola the next ... after that you get into the "average level women" that probably peaks around Moraine and ends at Daigian before you hit the truly weak women such as Alise etc ...
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Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? - 22/01/2011 06:54:36 PM 2048 Views
It's a nice idea, really - 22/01/2011 07:04:03 PM 1103 Views
we don't know the strength difference between Cadsuane and Nynaeve - 22/01/2011 08:55:48 PM 1037 Views
Nynaeve is of course roughly twice as strong as Cadsuane... - 24/01/2011 10:26:49 PM 1137 Views
Still sticking to the nonsense I see... - 25/01/2011 12:14:12 AM 945 Views
you and your assumptions crack me up ... there is zero evidence that Nyn is 2x Cadsuane - 26/01/2011 04:41:33 PM 965 Views
Waits for the candle flame vs. bonfire quote to appear... - 26/01/2011 05:01:28 PM 998 Views
*blows out the friggin candle* ... why does anyone take EoTW Moiraine quotes seriously? - 26/01/2011 09:41:53 PM 971 Views
tGH, but I agree... - 27/01/2011 04:58:08 AM 1044 Views
Re: tGH, but I agree... - 27/01/2011 07:29:15 AM 898 Views
I think it's a matter of perspective too - 27/01/2011 05:12:29 PM 851 Views
Nynaeve temporarily holds Logain shielded on her own, while 5 average strength Aes Sedai cannot... - 27/01/2011 05:35:26 PM 759 Views
Another inconsistency ... since 4 women held a shield on Rand who is Stronger than Logain EDIT - 27/01/2011 07:47:31 PM 849 Views
Not an inconsistency and if you analyse it... - 27/01/2011 08:21:39 PM 1080 Views
Wait... what? - 27/01/2011 11:16:32 PM 816 Views
Re: Wait... what? - 28/01/2011 12:26:22 AM 767 Views
Nope... - 28/01/2011 01:24:18 AM 852 Views
Yeah, but... - 28/01/2011 12:53:26 PM 910 Views
Therer is a direct quote in New Spring - 28/01/2011 02:20:40 PM 882 Views
Yup... *NM* - 28/01/2011 02:42:15 PM 470 Views
Thanks - 28/01/2011 04:05:47 PM 930 Views
Not really the case though - 28/01/2011 04:54:28 PM 724 Views
That's your evidence? You mean like Caddy defers to Nynaeve? - 28/01/2011 02:29:46 PM 818 Views
So Elayne is Cadsunae in you stupid play? - 28/01/2011 02:44:07 PM 789 Views
Getting hot under the collar and irrational again, I see... - 28/01/2011 03:01:14 PM 739 Views
right tGH but still! *NM* - 27/01/2011 04:02:57 PM 414 Views
It will be someone who was alive at some point during the series... - 22/01/2011 07:11:57 PM 1045 Views
it's obviously a stretch, just a random thought - 22/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 1052 Views
Possibly? But unlikely. - 23/01/2011 11:12:01 PM 824 Views
The 6 are... - 24/01/2011 10:09:33 PM 1144 Views
I disagree. If anything Semirhage is at the same strength level - 24/01/2011 11:10:30 PM 912 Views
Agree and disagree... - 25/01/2011 10:44:26 AM 870 Views
Re: Agree and disagree... - 25/01/2011 11:04:11 PM 803 Views
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Not really - 26/01/2011 05:15:59 PM 802 Views
Lanfear and Cyndane are the same person *NM* - 25/01/2011 10:24:15 AM 405 Views
Re: The 6 are... - 25/01/2011 10:51:40 PM 928 Views
I agree. - 24/01/2011 03:56:00 PM 814 Views
Possible... - 25/01/2011 12:17:42 AM 785 Views
none whatsoever ... purely speculating here *NM* - 26/01/2011 04:44:15 PM 357 Views
Not necessarily - 25/01/2011 08:07:02 PM 734 Views
nah - 25/01/2011 10:55:10 PM 1060 Views
it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments - 26/01/2011 04:47:32 PM 956 Views
Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments - 26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM 840 Views
I can see that as a possibility too - 26/01/2011 10:22:02 PM 843 Views
Re: I can see that as a possibility too - 27/01/2011 07:38:31 AM 937 Views
we'll always disagree I suppose - 27/01/2011 04:47:42 PM 891 Views
Strongest since the breaking? I disagree - 19/08/2011 01:09:37 PM 1062 Views
I doubt it. - 26/01/2011 03:53:33 AM 860 Views
Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? - 26/01/2011 09:31:36 AM 951 Views

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