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Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments Sidious Send a noteboard - 26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM
Just a random thought on Sanderson's comment that there are only 6 women stronger than Nynaeve on RJs list ... then it started occurring to me that Cadsuane has never been particularly overawed by Nynaeve or Alivia's strength in the Power, and she's made a couple of interesting comments about Strength:

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An Arrival

Cadsuane scowled, a fearsome sight. "No one has come to the Tower in a thousand years who could match me. No one to match Meilyn or Kerene in almost six hundred.

interesting that she specifically points out "has come to the Tower" in this statement ... almost as if she's encountered a woman stronger than her who never went to the Tower.


Then she makes this interesting statement in

WH
The Hummingbirds Secret

And she had not been put through the lessons that what must be endured, could be endured. In truth, Cadsuane sympathized with her. Somewhat. It was a lesson not everyone could learn in the Tower. She herself, full of pride in her new shawl and her own strength, had been taught by a near toothless wilder at a farm in the heart of the Black Hills.

Then there is the comment Cadsuane makes about it being 270 years since she last encountered a task she could not complete ...

It all paints a picture that Norla was extremely strong in the OP ... perhaps she's the mysterious woman who is also ahead of Nynaeve on the list ...



I think Norla owned the paralis net and Cadsuane tried to overwhelm her with the Power, only to be overwhelmed herself. The paralis net does have an angreal and several other neat toys. Its likely Norla gave the paralis net to Cadsuane after she's taught her for a while, as a badge and as a gift.


the question is really how Norla got Cadsuane's attention in the first place ... it's not like Cadsuane would have immediately known what the Paralis Net was ... given she was knew to the Shawl and "full of her own Strength" it just seemed logical that Norla being of extraordinary Strength is what would have been the one thing to draw Cadsuane's attention.


It's not impossible that she was drawn to Norla's strength, but its more likely she was consumed by her newfound status as an Aes Sedai and tried to control Norla in some way. My best guess is that she discovered that Norla had an angreal and tried to claim it as Tower property and got her ass handed to her.

Anyway, I think Nynaeve is the strongest woman to have lived on the mainland since the Breaking, including wilders. Obviously other women like Sharina have been discovered since then, but she's pretty much hinted as the highest strength ever seen since the AOL.
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Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:54:36 PM 2067 Views
It's a nice idea, really newyorkersedai - 22/01/2011 07:04:03 PM 1120 Views
we don't know the strength difference between Cadsuane and Nynaeve darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:55:48 PM 1053 Views
Nynaeve is of course roughly twice as strong as Cadsuane... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:26:49 PM 1150 Views
Still sticking to the nonsense I see... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:14:12 AM 961 Views
you and your assumptions crack me up ... there is zero evidence that Nyn is 2x Cadsuane darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:41:33 PM 981 Views
Waits for the candle flame vs. bonfire quote to appear... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2011 05:01:28 PM 1011 Views
*blows out the friggin candle* ... why does anyone take EoTW Moiraine quotes seriously? darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:41:53 PM 981 Views
tGH, but I agree... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 04:58:08 AM 1061 Views
Re: tGH, but I agree... Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:29:15 AM 909 Views
I think it's a matter of perspective too darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 05:12:29 PM 863 Views
Nynaeve temporarily holds Logain shielded on her own, while 5 average strength Aes Sedai cannot... Shannow - 27/01/2011 05:35:26 PM 771 Views
Another inconsistency ... since 4 women held a shield on Rand who is Stronger than Logain EDIT darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 07:47:31 PM 867 Views
Not an inconsistency and if you analyse it... Shannow - 27/01/2011 08:21:39 PM 1091 Views
I'm not dismissing the quote I'm saying 6 weak women held Logain darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 09:21:34 PM 905 Views
Circular logic... Shannow - 27/01/2011 09:49:40 PM 971 Views
Explain to me how Moghedien is only 60% of Lanfear and managed to do anything? darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 06:25:28 PM 1010 Views
Easy. And I dispute that all 6 women shielding Logain were only 10% stronger than an Accepted. Shannow - 29/01/2011 12:42:54 PM 743 Views
Not even gonna bother ... So many flawed statements in here it's not worth the effort to correct you *NM* darius_sedai - 29/01/2011 04:50:01 PM 442 Views
Wait... what? fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 11:16:32 PM 831 Views
Re: Wait... what? Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:26:22 AM 780 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 01:24:18 AM 870 Views
Yeah, but... Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:53:26 PM 922 Views
Therer is a direct quote in New Spring darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 02:20:40 PM 897 Views
Yup... *NM* fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:42:15 PM 473 Views
Thanks Zeratul - 28/01/2011 04:05:47 PM 943 Views
Not really the case though darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 04:54:28 PM 736 Views
That's your evidence? You mean like Caddy defers to Nynaeve? Shannow - 28/01/2011 02:29:46 PM 833 Views
So Elayne is Cadsunae in you stupid play? fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:44:07 PM 802 Views
Getting hot under the collar and irrational again, I see... Shannow - 28/01/2011 03:01:14 PM 752 Views
right tGH but still! *NM* darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:02:57 PM 417 Views
It will be someone who was alive at some point during the series... Shannow - 22/01/2011 07:11:57 PM 1062 Views
it's obviously a stretch, just a random thought darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 1073 Views
Strength in the Power and skill in the Power are not the same thing. Ghavrel - 22/01/2011 10:33:12 PM 893 Views
true, but nearly 300 years ago when she was a new AS she had yet to learn that lesson darius_sedai - 23/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 875 Views
Possibly? But unlikely. redqueen - 23/01/2011 11:12:01 PM 838 Views
The 6 are... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:09:33 PM 1156 Views
I disagree. If anything Semirhage is at the same strength level darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:10:30 PM 925 Views
Agree and disagree... Shannow - 25/01/2011 10:44:26 AM 883 Views
Re: Agree and disagree... Sidious - 25/01/2011 11:04:11 PM 818 Views
I didn't say Semirhage is definitely one of the 6, but his answer leaves it as a viable possibility. Shannow - 26/01/2011 07:36:52 AM 936 Views
I'd disagree with that statement. I think he definitively ruled her out with his comment darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:40:14 PM 735 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:15:59 PM 815 Views
Lanfear and Cyndane are the same person *NM* Vidarfe - 25/01/2011 10:24:15 AM 410 Views
I think Shannows' point is that even with reduced strength, Lanfear is still the most powerful RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:30:34 PM 884 Views
Re: The 6 are... Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:51:40 PM 945 Views
This seems like the most likely case to me, but Sommeryn is unsubstantiated to date darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:43:27 PM 765 Views
I think there's a stronger case for Someryn than most women Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:07:03 PM 916 Views
I agree that she is the most likely candidate, but there is nothing beyond speculation darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:45:27 PM 783 Views
Talaan isn't stronger. She is the same strength and has been actively channeling for 6 years darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:14:31 PM 886 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/01/2011 03:56:00 PM 827 Views
Possible... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:17:42 AM 806 Views
none whatsoever ... purely speculating here *NM* darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:44:15 PM 361 Views
Not necessarily sleepinghour - 25/01/2011 08:07:02 PM 746 Views
But that doesn't answer why a toothless wilder in a backwoods hut would have drawn darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 840 Views
nah Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:55:10 PM 1072 Views
it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:47:32 PM 973 Views
Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM 854 Views
I can see that as a possibility too darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 10:22:02 PM 856 Views
Re: I can see that as a possibility too Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:38:31 AM 948 Views
we'll always disagree I suppose darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:47:42 PM 910 Views
Strongest since the breaking? I disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/08/2011 01:09:37 PM 1076 Views
I doubt it. Gher - 26/01/2011 03:53:33 AM 873 Views
Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? ljgibbs - 26/01/2011 09:31:36 AM 964 Views
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