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I think it's interesting Libby Send a noteboard - 24/01/2011 09:23:40 AM
Whole, unbroken order, strong societal rules.

There's nothing to say that channellers are special to the Pattern - the Pattern could just kill off the ability and leave the world in Seanchan rule and things would be fine.

If the Pattern represents Order and the DO is Chaos, then Moridin's taunting of Rand's idea to kill the DO ("I doubt you comprehend the stupidity of your statement";) becomes more interesting. Without the DO to keep humans in check and to be a unifying enemy, the world can succumb to other pitfalls. Not that I advocate for the DO, of course. Just throwing ideas out there.

In other words: What if Seanchan rule is the GOAL of the Pattern?


It's certainly possible, considering the Wheel/Pattern is neither good nor evil.

I do find it interesting though that the last Ta'veren before Rand, Mat, and Perrin was Hawkwing. And since Ta'verens aren't born, but are made as the Wheel needs them to be. And with the Seanchan pretty much an extension of Hawkwings lost empire. There must be some reason or purpose for their continued existence that's already been set in the Pattern.

I personally believe the Seanchan are going to be fighting alongside the Randland forces in the Last Battle, but maybe they're going to play a bigger role in the aftermath. It's all speculation of course, but I think it's an interesting discussion.
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Seanchan Takeover of Randland Mordie01 - 22/01/2011 11:25:36 PM 2078 Views
I would be mostly okay with it if they abolished slavery first Deadsy - 23/01/2011 12:19:48 AM 1050 Views
Hopefully the Dragon's Peace (not the one Avi saw the effects of) those concerns. *NM* Japhy - 23/01/2011 03:21:04 AM 494 Views
You mean utter anarchy and a dangerously stratified society? Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 07:24:48 AM 832 Views
The situation in Seanchan isn't that unique ranagrande - 23/01/2011 07:49:28 AM 857 Views
Except with continous rebellion. Chas - 23/01/2011 12:13:17 PM 849 Views
That's to be expected. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 12:56:07 PM 808 Views
there's tons of problems there, but 20+ leaders/royals killed? Disaster anywhere... *NM* newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:38:57 AM 416 Views
Funny; Caemlyn's succession crises aren't nearly as bad. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 11:00:45 PM 413 Views
Rand deserves some credit, he did get involved early and held the Lion Throne for Elayne. *NM* Libby - 24/01/2011 08:47:42 AM 450 Views
The anarchy is what happens in the absence of Seanchan power. Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:10:56 PM 794 Views
Yes. That is a flaw of Seanchan governance. Ghavrel - 28/01/2011 01:54:00 AM 716 Views
It's not the Empire's fault, and that flaw is not being duplicated in the wetlands Cannoli - 28/01/2011 11:24:00 PM 973 Views
Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 02:09:05 AM 770 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM 822 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 10:02:27 PM 674 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 30/01/2011 03:56:23 AM 869 Views
It's like you don't even read anything when you post. My posts, the books themselves... Cannoli - 02/02/2011 06:41:10 PM 850 Views
They treat channelers like DOGS! so, No. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 23/01/2011 07:56:22 AM 418 Views
I treat my dog better *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 23/01/2011 10:28:08 AM 409 Views
Good point. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 24/01/2011 01:47:29 AM 431 Views
Dogs never broke the world or created Shadowspawn, so they have it coming *NM* Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:07:32 PM 391 Views
The Pattern certainly has some plan or purpose for the Seanchan. Libby - 23/01/2011 10:59:33 AM 913 Views
That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lord Haart - 23/01/2011 11:41:35 PM 744 Views
If we're going to personify things, we should be personifying the Wheel, not the Pattern. Ghavrel - 24/01/2011 12:13:49 AM 772 Views
I think it's interesting Libby - 24/01/2011 09:23:40 AM 782 Views
There has been ta'veren since Hawkwing and before the Triple. Lohikaarme - 28/01/2011 11:56:46 AM 774 Views
Who were they? Libby - 29/01/2011 12:33:58 AM 713 Views
Re: That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lo'oris - 24/01/2011 12:38:38 PM 701 Views
Um, no newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:36:24 AM 847 Views
look around you again redhand - 23/01/2011 03:24:01 PM 832 Views
Re: look around you again Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 03:54:49 PM 800 Views
Seanchan equality before the law Zeratul - 23/01/2011 04:09:54 PM 853 Views
Re: Seanchan equality before the law Watcher - 23/01/2011 04:22:28 PM 816 Views
a) most of that is your own extrapolation, not shown in the text moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:56:14 PM 790 Views
Yes. moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:47:30 PM 786 Views
Mostly, yes. redqueen - 23/01/2011 05:57:17 PM 769 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 06:10:10 PM 774 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 06:33:00 PM 825 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 11:03:36 PM 747 Views
Not really redqueen - 23/01/2011 07:12:27 PM 767 Views
I disagree. Bergioyn - 25/01/2011 07:17:18 PM 759 Views
I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 24/01/2011 08:04:21 PM 868 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 25/01/2011 10:40:58 AM 700 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2011 05:55:13 PM 730 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 26/01/2011 12:10:54 AM 934 Views
"We" don't know of the One Power existing, so obviously it disappears. *NM* Deadsy - 26/01/2011 12:14:19 AM 428 Views
Lack of knowledge doesn't mean the One Power vanishes or is destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2011 04:03:22 PM 687 Views
If OP still existed, you'd still have sparkers even "today". *NM* Myrdhyn - 26/01/2011 06:34:50 PM 410 Views
Not exactly; genetics are more complicated. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2011 09:48:48 PM 757 Views
No RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:41:09 PM 878 Views
Ah, um, no. Ghavrel - 29/01/2011 11:53:16 PM 773 Views
The thing is orius - 04/02/2011 05:29:15 AM 718 Views
They didn't break anything Lo'oris - 04/02/2011 02:13:10 PM 780 Views
Contemplate this then.... Jeordam - 04/02/2011 10:29:09 PM 798 Views
Re: Contemplate this then.... redqueen - 06/02/2011 12:44:21 AM 787 Views
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