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Re: The true power is the essense of the DO, according to RJ, which makes this highly unlikely. uglycat Send a noteboard - 13/01/2011 08:30:08 PM
"You don't know how close you came to doom," Rand said softly. "If I had come to you but a short time earlier, I'd have returned those slaps with balefire." "Inside the Guardian?" Tenobia sniffed disdainfully. "The Guardian blocks the One Power," Rand whispered. "The One Power only."


doesn't solidly imply he can STILL use the TP. only that he would have used TP balefire 'a short time earlier'.

Oh, interesting. So you say that maybe Rand has no more access to the TP now that's Light-powered? Well, I still think the chance that he has some sort of TP-like power is consistent.


not necessarily. i was only saying that the way his dialog is worded, it doesn't clearly state whether he can still channel TP or not.

it seems to require an even more extreme blocking off of emotion than the void. rand actually feels nothing at all when he first uses it, like he's somehow bypassed emotion entirely.

since rand has already dealt with that crisis and decided to never do that again, my gut tells me the TP is still there for him through moridin, but i don't think he can reach the same state of mind to use it, at least not willingly.

The True Power is strictly available if the DO lets you access it (it's himself), and there are hints (eg: what happened to Moridin at Shadar Logoth), that the DO retains some control over what it does, that he can make one of your weave "mutate" to produce something else altogether.

It would be very surprising that Ran uses the TP willingly again. It was a major failure on his part to have embraced it once in the first place - it nearly made him fall to the Shadow in the end. The "miracles" he does since his epiphany he used to make for the Shadow after touching the TP (remember his dark aura... the increased spoilage, or compare how his ta'veren effect silenced the whole AS in TOM but failed completely with Tuon when he was dark Rand)

If the TP has a role at SG, it won't be Rand using it, he'd rather turn against the Shadow something it does (DO, SH or Moridin) with the TP. The major problem Rand has to solve is that "a sealing" of the OP needs to touch the TP/Shai'tan, and that was the failure of his previous plan. He needs to come up with something else... either find a way to seal the Bore without using the OP at all, or place between the world and Shai'tan something that might prevent any contact between the OP and the TP. At the moment, the only thing we can surmise can't attack the OP but that the DO would have to retreat from (because the two would annihilate one another if in contact) is the taint of Shadar Logoth. It doesn't mean this is what will be used (in the form of Fain himself, the dagger or the wound in Rand's side), but so far it's the only thing in the series we know can harm Shai'tan.

My hunch is that the key is to use the SL taint to make Shai'tan momentarily lose his hold on the Bore, then with the control gained by the three ta'veren being "as one", the Wheel will be able to seize that instant to eliminate the weakness in the Pattern. I think Callandor is a decoy. Rand must let the Shadow seize it, and bait it with the fact it magnifies not only the OP but also the Do's taint. Then the SL taint (Rand's wound) will come into play, to destroy the wielder of Callandor and during this shock Shai'tan might recoil, retreat, and this is when the extra hold on the Pattern given by the three ta'vere will let the Wheel re-establish reality at SG. When Shai'tan recovers from the blow, it will be too late - the weakness in the Pattern will be gone, and he won't be able to exploit it to re form the Bore to pass through it (because the Bore isn't "real", it's a twisting of reality by the DO, exploiting a global weakness in the Pattern. Lanfear and Beidomon didn't drill the Bore as such, IMO. What they did is thin the pattern further, enough so that a fraction of Shai'tan's power could slip through, enough to twist reality into the Bore).


i wish we had a scene back at shayol ghul again... i would assume the DO is aware of rand using TP, but i have to wonder if TP being filtered through moridin may just look like moridin alone to the DO...

the SL taint does make sense, especially since this mechanic has been firmly established multiple times in the series. it would certainly be the most logical use of fain.

anyway, i seem to have convinced myself, but thanks for the discussion.
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