Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai
Urbannen Send a noteboard - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM
The test is not in and of itself stupid. Aes Sedai live very long lives, and I get the impression that almost all of them have had to use the power in battle outside the Tower at one point or another. Look at all the instances in the books where the so-called "peaceful" Ajahs like the Brown, Grey, White, and Yellow have had to fight. Where would the world be if Verin had not been an expert at channeling battle? She successfully fought Trollocs at Emond's Field and dueled Graendal to a stand still: "She knew when she was fighting for her life...". At Dumai's Well, Aes Sedai of all colors had to fight against an army of Aiel attackers. Yellow Edesina fireballed zombie villagers and Seanchan soldiers alongside Green Joline. ALL Aes Sedai must be able to fight.
The ability to control one's emotions seems like it would be important for someone who is using psionic/mystical powers. However, this training hasn't seemed to be particularly useful to the Aes Sedai in the book since almost all of them seem prone to fits of various emotions. The rules are a way of shaping a woman to act in a certain way, thus the test tests both composure and battle skills. The Aes Sedai training seems to be about hiding emotions, rather than truly mastering them, which perhaps has been a source of some of the Tower's problems.
I would say that the emphasis on composure is arbitrary, while the emphasis on battle skills is not, thus the composure part of the test will become less and less important as Egwene expands opens the tower to more and more woman channelers.
The ability to control one's emotions seems like it would be important for someone who is using psionic/mystical powers. However, this training hasn't seemed to be particularly useful to the Aes Sedai in the book since almost all of them seem prone to fits of various emotions. The rules are a way of shaping a woman to act in a certain way, thus the test tests both composure and battle skills. The Aes Sedai training seems to be about hiding emotions, rather than truly mastering them, which perhaps has been a source of some of the Tower's problems.
I would say that the emphasis on composure is arbitrary, while the emphasis on battle skills is not, thus the composure part of the test will become less and less important as Egwene expands opens the tower to more and more woman channelers.
Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai
07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM
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Way to totally misunderstand the chapter
07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM
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I second this
07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM
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your bold is stuck. *NM*
07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM
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On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO
07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM
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nice post
08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM
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Isn't it implied
08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM
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no they were students together
08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM
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No, Lanfear was older than Lews
08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM
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Where on earth did you get that from?
08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM
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Re: Where on earth did you get that from?
09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM
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Re: Where on earth did you get that from?
09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM
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I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time
09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM
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Re: I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time
09/12/2010 05:43:40 PM
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I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill
08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM
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I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well
08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM
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Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM*
08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM
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Re: nice post
09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM
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On the matter of strength
09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM
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Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative
12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM
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The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out
07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM
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Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai
05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM
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Yes. How dare she not conform with every other fucking mindless stupid WT Aes Sedai *NM*
07/12/2010 11:36:52 PM
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Status is not an end in itself. *NM*
07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM
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They're not really stupid...
08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM
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Not saying they are. It's just that most AS that we've come across
08/12/2010 02:20:05 AM
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They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm.
08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM
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Bah...
09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM
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I did not say all Aes Sedai are stupid, I said all WT Aes Sedai are stupid.
10/12/2010 09:19:52 AM
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You are not only wrong in your call,
08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM
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Re: You are not only wrong in your call,
08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM
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if that is the purpose of the test
08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM
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minor disagreement
08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM
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Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body
08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM
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not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though
08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM
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that's retarded, imo
09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM
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Oh it's totally stupid!
09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM
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No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it
09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM
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I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then
09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM
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Oh. Well, I'm sorry then.
08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM
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I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that
08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM
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Yeah, but how does that work?
08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM
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Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them.
09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM
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Even so, it wouldn't work.
09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM
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I think if this thread has established anything it's that the test is severely flawed. *NM*
09/12/2010 09:24:48 PM
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Another headless chicken example.
09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM
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the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic
*NM*
09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM
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Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then.
09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM
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You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right"
09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM
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Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right"
09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM
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That's not the dilema
09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM
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One of those few times where I completely agree with Cannoli. Give over Sidious. You're wrong.
09/12/2010 09:55:20 PM
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That's not what it's really about
10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM
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This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil.
09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM
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Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil.
09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM
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Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil.
09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM
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Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil.
09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM
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One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong.
10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM
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