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I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM
One that interferes with a weave from a distance and a separate one that unravels weaves as Cyndane mentions below:

WH
With the CK

Just as it reached the woman, almost close enough to singe her garments, the web of Fire unraveled. The woman did not do anything; the net simply came apart! Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that would break a web, but it must be that.

It would make sense that the ter'angreal Cadsuane used to disrupt Semirhage's MOM was different, or more active, than the passive versions we've seen on Alivia and Mat.

Note the difference in the Semirhage scene:

KOD
A Plain Wooden Box

“No,” Cadsuane replied grimly. “But I can do something about it. Once we’re closer.” Her golden hair ornaments swayed as she tossed her cloak back as though unmasking a sword.

...

Abruptly, no more than ten paces away, she… flickered. For an instant, she was taller than most men. garbed all in black, surprise on her face, and though she still wore the veil, her head was covered with short-cut wavy black hair. Only an instant before the small woman returned, her step faltering as she let her white skirts fall, but another flicker, and the tall dark woman stood there, her face twisted in fury behind the veil. He recognized that face, though he had never seen it before. Lews Therin had, and that was enough.


This seems different than the weave breakers. Even if the flicker was just Semirhage rebuilding the MOM in an instant, the affect was from 10 paces away and affected a weave not directed at the wearer, which we've not seen from either Mat or Nynaeve's ter'angreal. This seems more like a device that slices a weave from a distance at the wearers command.

It's possible that LTT was referring to the defensive ter'angreal, which is supported by Cyndane being unaware of it, rather than the more offensive device Cadsuane seems to possess.

Perhaps the original Paralis-Net included:

Distance Weave Disruptor (that Semirhage encountered)
Well
Angreal
Mood detectors (Nynaeve's set can tell when someone nearby is angry, or has a strong emotion IIRC)

Breaking Era could have included the defensive disruptors like Mat's and the Channeling detectors Demandred mentions.
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RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 840 Views
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magic *NM* - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 470 Views
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Where do you get this idea? *NM* - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 580 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1046 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 1001 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 958 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 878 Views
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I'm confused... - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 924 Views
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Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 814 Views
Agreed - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 901 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 883 Views
Because Demandred said so... - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 968 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 999 Views
Well there you have it, then... - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 864 Views
Contortions - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 7825 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 858 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1043 Views
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I agree. - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 950 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 946 Views
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