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I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow Send a noteboard - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM
I don't disagree. But Sanderson's mistake came in a somewhat important revelatory scene, which makes it harder to snip out. Not that I think it's likely anything will be snipped.

It is pretty clear from RJ's Cleansing scene that neither Demandred nor Lanfear had encountered the two most striking effects of Cadsuane's ornaments before. RJ was crystal clear in that respect.

Uh huh.
What we're left with is that either Sanderson made a mistake when he had Semirhage allude to the paralis net, and again when Lews Therin referred to it, or else the paralis net in its Age of Legends form did not include those two functions.

Right.
The fact that the "paralis net" had an official name at all, makes it more likely that it existed in the Age of Legends, and therefore the logical answer is that Lews Therin and Semirhage's paralis nets served a different purpose to saidin detection and weave unravelling.

Or that Sanderson just invented the name – or, more likely, just fucked up the history. Doma's right about that. I think it's fairly unambiguous that Sanderson/Rand is referring to the system as a whole when using the name, though.


He acknowledges ornaments that are unknown to him. Clearly, therefore, a paralis net could be mounted with a wide range of angreal and ter'angreal. They weren't created with a predetermined set of attached items.

And his mention of a "full" paralis net seems more likely to be a reference to the number of "mountings" that the net has, and that they are all occuppied (some by ornaments that he does not recognize). It is therefore "fully loaded" so to speak. Utilized to maximum capacity.

The net in itself probably doesn't do anything. It merely allows mulitple angreal and ter'angreal to be used simultaneously, and to be permanantly accessible. The individual effects are up to the items attached. Of which a Well was apparantly quite a standard attachment, hence Rand's guess that this paralis net included one that would allow Cadsuane to channel in Far Madding.

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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 3590 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1661 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1404 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 881 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1256 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1260 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1193 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 548 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1142 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 966 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 1062 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1213 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1308 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1146 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1102 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1439 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1245 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1172 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 1065 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 1063 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 982 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1125 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 1066 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 1040 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1197 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 1012 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1109 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 1041 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 1015 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1109 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1230 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1176 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1120 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 510 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1173 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1128 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 1076 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 1077 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1439 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 1091 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1191 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 618 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1127 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 1087 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 1031 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 959 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 1034 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 1015 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 1020 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 993 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 915 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 1020 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 974 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 1026 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 898 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 995 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 555 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 980 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 1062 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 1087 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 947 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 7910 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 948 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1126 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 1065 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 1060 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1183 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 1035 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 1087 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 1013 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1120 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1094 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 1030 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1119 Views
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