Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net".
DomA Send a noteboard - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM
Though I'm not convinced personally that the detectors are some of the ones Rand "didn't recognize".
I still get the feeling, but this is largely an intuitive leap on my part, that Rand's comment to Cadsuane in TOM is Brandon's retcon to patch up continuity after it's been pointed out to him after TGS that having Semirhage calling the apparatus "a paralis net" as if she recognized it from the AOL that Jordan had rather established in WH that Demandred thought one of her gizmos was a Breaking era invention. So Brandon had LTT mention in TOM that there were some gizmos in her paralis net he didn't recognize and so he suspected it was a breaking era creation, but that he had used the first one made for a man during the WOS and thought his bases covered with this.
The big problem, and combined with Demandred's comment it's the reason why I make the intuitive leap that this is a retcon by Brandon - and which I forgot to mention in my first post Shannow answered, is that this still doesn't explain Cyndane's comment, also at the Cleansing, that she had never heard of a ter'angreal that could break a web, but that it must be that.
Then Brandon had Semirhage casually identify Cadsuane's apparatus, which which she notably broke her reversed MOM as a "full paralis net". So if the detectors-locators were non existent in the WOS, and the weavebreakers didn't either, what exactly what found in a WOS era paralis net, and why would Semirhage recognize Cadsuane's apparatus as such after it broke her web if the AOL ones didn't? I can't help but be tempted to conclude that in Jordan's mind, there were no "paralis nets" in the WOS, and such apparatuses appeared only during the breaking, when the AS didn't have anymore manufacturing capabilities for mass weapons and had to become extremely creative to come up with simple to make but effective stuff.
There's even a certain logic why Jordan would choose not to introduce those during the WOS. If weavebreakers and reversed web locators etc. existed, and clearly they require little resources to make as some were made in the Breaking, then it goes without saying that as soon as those gizmos were invented in the WOS, they would have been mass produced immediately, especially since they were simple and the resources and facilties were disappearing, as the massive advantage to the large human (and largely non-channelling) armies of the Light was all too obvious. With a shocklance and a paralis net, a soldier could stand against a Forsaken. The major problem then would be that if paralis nets were widespread, the mad male channellers in the Breaking era would have been terribly hard to defeat. Too hard. I think this is why Jordan has established in WH that devices like this were not invented during the WOS but where the highly creative yet easy to make creations of very desperate women during the Breaking, and relatively rare.
I still get the feeling, but this is largely an intuitive leap on my part, that Rand's comment to Cadsuane in TOM is Brandon's retcon to patch up continuity after it's been pointed out to him after TGS that having Semirhage calling the apparatus "a paralis net" as if she recognized it from the AOL that Jordan had rather established in WH that Demandred thought one of her gizmos was a Breaking era invention. So Brandon had LTT mention in TOM that there were some gizmos in her paralis net he didn't recognize and so he suspected it was a breaking era creation, but that he had used the first one made for a man during the WOS and thought his bases covered with this.
The big problem, and combined with Demandred's comment it's the reason why I make the intuitive leap that this is a retcon by Brandon - and which I forgot to mention in my first post Shannow answered, is that this still doesn't explain Cyndane's comment, also at the Cleansing, that she had never heard of a ter'angreal that could break a web, but that it must be that.
Then Brandon had Semirhage casually identify Cadsuane's apparatus, which which she notably broke her reversed MOM as a "full paralis net". So if the detectors-locators were non existent in the WOS, and the weavebreakers didn't either, what exactly what found in a WOS era paralis net, and why would Semirhage recognize Cadsuane's apparatus as such after it broke her web if the AOL ones didn't? I can't help but be tempted to conclude that in Jordan's mind, there were no "paralis nets" in the WOS, and such apparatuses appeared only during the breaking, when the AS didn't have anymore manufacturing capabilities for mass weapons and had to become extremely creative to come up with simple to make but effective stuff.
There's even a certain logic why Jordan would choose not to introduce those during the WOS. If weavebreakers and reversed web locators etc. existed, and clearly they require little resources to make as some were made in the Breaking, then it goes without saying that as soon as those gizmos were invented in the WOS, they would have been mass produced immediately, especially since they were simple and the resources and facilties were disappearing, as the massive advantage to the large human (and largely non-channelling) armies of the Light was all too obvious. With a shocklance and a paralis net, a soldier could stand against a Forsaken. The major problem then would be that if paralis nets were widespread, the mad male channellers in the Breaking era would have been terribly hard to defeat. Too hard. I think this is why Jordan has established in WH that devices like this were not invented during the WOS but where the highly creative yet easy to make creations of very desperate women during the Breaking, and relatively rare.
How did Cyndane defeat Alivia?
31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM
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As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP
31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM
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Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP
31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM
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RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM*
01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM
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Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes
01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM
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Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill
01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM
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Search for "Alivia"
01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM
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nothing on either url *NM*
01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM
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Try spelling it correctly then
02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM
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Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP
02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM
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Damane don't know about reversed weaves
31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM
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How did *Alivia* survive?
01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM
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Re: How did *Alivia* survive?
01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM
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Yes, odd.
01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM
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Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her
02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM
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Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time
02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM
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reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist.
03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM
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Depends on the circumstances really
04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM
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but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her.
10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM
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Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion
11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM
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Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing.
11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM
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It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge
03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM
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Well that was always going to happen
03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM
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Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail !
04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM
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Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided...
02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM
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Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)...
03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM
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Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector...
03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM
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Where do you get this idea? *NM*
03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM
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Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net".
03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM
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I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways
04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM
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Very interesting point. I never noticed that before...
05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM
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Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers...
05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM
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inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage
05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM
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I'm confused...
05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM
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Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling?
05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM
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I'd buy this.
05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM
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Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves...
05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM
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Not necessarily.
05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM
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I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL
08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM
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The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers.
09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM
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Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted
10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM
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Agreed
10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM
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I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM*
10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM
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Because Demandred said so...
04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM
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Re: Because Demandred said so...
04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM
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Well there you have it, then...
04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM
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Contortions
04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM
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If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ.
04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM
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Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ.
04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM
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I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole.
04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM
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Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding...
04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM
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It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system
04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM
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Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector...
03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM
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I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic...
04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM
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I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream
04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM
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