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Yup. Joel Send a noteboard - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM
If Cyndane had truly won the duel, Alivia would be dead and the Cleansing would have gone down a bit differently.

So yeah, Alivia got a little hurt, but she turned Cyndane back nonetheless. Also, we don't know if Cyndane was injured.

I'm not sure why people need to declare a winner so badly but, ultimately, Alivia won in every way that mattered because Cyndane never got near Rand and Nynaeve. In terms of their actual combat, I think we have to call it a messy draw.
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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 3590 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1661 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1403 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 880 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1256 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1260 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1193 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 548 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1141 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 965 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 1060 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1212 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1307 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1145 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1102 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1438 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1244 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1171 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 1064 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 1061 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 982 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1125 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 1065 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 1039 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1196 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 1011 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1108 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 1040 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 1014 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1109 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1229 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1176 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1120 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 510 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1173 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1128 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 1076 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 1076 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1439 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 1090 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1190 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 618 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1125 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 1086 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 1031 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 958 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 1034 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 1015 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 1019 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 992 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 914 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 1019 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 972 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 1026 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 898 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 995 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 554 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 980 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 1060 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 1087 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 946 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 7910 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 947 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1126 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 1063 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 1059 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1181 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 1034 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 1085 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 1012 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1118 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1093 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 1029 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1119 Views
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