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She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ Send a noteboard - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM
Let's look at some of the facts.

1) Alivia was stronger than Cyndane, likely even without her angreal.


No, Cyndane is still the strongest female Forsaken. Just. Alivia was only stronger because of the angreal.

2) Alivia had a fairly powerful angreal which was multiplying her strength by at least 3 times, likely maybe 4-5 times or more. Cyndane had NO angreal.


We don't know how much of an effect they have. 3x is a big increase in strength by itself.

3) Alivia had a ter'angreal to unravel any weaves directed against her directly (similar to Mat's) where she need not even spare the effort to slice it. So the possibility of Cyndane shielding her (even never mind the angreal) would be virtually impossible.


Right, which is why Cyndane didn't try to shield her.

4) Alivia frightens Nynaeve with her strength, and Nynaeve has come face to face with several Forsaken.


The Forsaken frighten Nynaeve.

5) Alivia is approx 400 years old, likely older than Cyndane ie Lanfear was and since the age of 12 or 13 she has been trained solely to be used as a weapon. Cyndane may know more weaves, but no reason to believe she knows more battle weaves.


Lanfear appears middle aged and is therefore several hundred years old, and has battle experience from the War of Shadow - probably more than Alivia! Cyndane clearly has the advantage with battle weaves. Like reversed weaves. If anything, Alivia's training is a disadvantage because she focuses too much on offence.

6) Alivia commented that The Asha'man may be called weapons, but she was confident that she was far, far more lethal of a weapon.


The Asha'man wouldn't stand up to a Forsaken either.

it should have been like Rand dealing with Damer Flinn, ie: No Contest.


Give Flinn an angreal and some defensive ter'angreal and that's pretty much what happened.

Besides luck, and RJ just making Cyndane win how can you explain how Alivia came off the big loser in that fight?


Seriously this time, Cyndane probably struck once and ran. She wasn't going to enter a prolonged fight with Callandor targeting her at the time. I wouldn't call Alivia a big loser, since she did hold Cyndane off.
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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 3468 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1556 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1316 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 840 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1160 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1175 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1106 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 514 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1054 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 885 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 970 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1121 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1213 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1071 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1020 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1360 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1161 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1091 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 972 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 983 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 901 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1037 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 1007 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 965 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1110 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 934 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1021 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 970 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 933 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1023 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1140 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1090 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1069 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 471 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1083 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1043 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 985 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 963 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1314 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 964 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1102 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 581 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1046 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 1001 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 958 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 878 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 949 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 924 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 927 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 891 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 834 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 942 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 893 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 945 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 814 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 902 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 521 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 884 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 968 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 999 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 864 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 7825 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 858 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1043 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 977 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 966 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1095 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 950 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 995 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 921 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1030 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1018 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 947 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1028 Views
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