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Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe Send a noteboard - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM
Alivia had a lot more Power to play with, but we already know raw strength is a lot less important than skill. Cyndane knows far, far more about channeling, and she was able to see every weave that came her way. This means that she could both slice/interfere with Alivia's attacks, and she would quickly have got an idea of her abilities and strategy. And I don't care how good damane are at destroying things, they are not trained to be creative, adaptable or to show initiative. She would have been ferocious but single-minded, very predictable and easily tricked.

Alivia's only advantage in that battle was her unravelling ter'angreal, and it only stops direct attacks. All in all, Cyndane should have been able to kill Alivia with little difficulty; you can't stop a weave you can't see - or at least, Alivia doesn't know how to do so - and I can think of a dozen nasty ways of killing someone that don't require direct weave-contact. Cyndane undoubtedly knows many more. Alivia couldn't have seen them coming, couldn't have defended against them, and shouldn't have survived two minutes of concentrated attack.



Odd that Rand didnt seem to have a problem with any of the other Forsaken despite their knowledge, despite not having hundreds of years of battle experience (as Rand), despite the reversed weaves that no one ever threw at him etc etc etc, and Rand was on equal or lower playing field strengthwise except when he took Callandor, but yet Alivia who had all those benefits and a kickass ter'angreal and angreal couldnt best a Forsaken (unlike Rand).

I still see the slant towards Cyndane simply because only the key players are allowed to rip the Chosen to shreds, no one else; despite the fact that they should be able to.
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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 3590 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1660 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1403 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 880 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1255 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1260 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1192 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 548 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1140 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 965 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 1060 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1212 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1307 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1145 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1102 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1438 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1244 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1171 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 1064 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 1061 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 981 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1125 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 1065 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 1039 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1196 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 1011 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1108 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 1040 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 1013 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1109 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1229 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1176 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1120 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 510 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1173 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1128 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 1075 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 1076 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1439 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 1090 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1190 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 618 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1125 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 1086 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 1031 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 957 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 1034 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 1015 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 1019 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 992 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 914 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 1019 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 972 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 1025 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 897 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 995 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 554 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 979 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 1060 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 1087 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 946 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 7909 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 947 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1126 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 1063 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 1059 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1181 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 1034 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 1085 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 1012 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1118 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1093 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 1029 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1119 Views
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