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Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe Send a noteboard - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM
4) Alivia frightens Nynaeve with her strength, and Nynaeve has come face to face with several Forsaken.

5) Alivia is approx 400 years old, likely older than Cyndane ie Lanfear was and since the age of 12 or 13 she has been trained solely to be used as a weapon. Cyndane may know more weaves, but no reason to believe she knows more battle weaves.

6) Alivia commented that The Asha'man may be called weapons, but she was confident that she was far, far more lethal of a weapon.

Basically between her 388 years of battle experience, her ter'angreal and her quite powerful angreal it should have been like Rand dealing with Damer Flinn, ie: No Contest. Alivia should have actually been able to shield her quite easily.

Besides luck, and RJ just making Cyndane win how can you explain how Alivia came off the big loser in that fight?

First Nynaeve could not actually feel Alivia's strength, she is going off of what others say about her. Take into account that Alivia, while clearly stronger than Nynaeve, may not be significantly stronger once Nynaeve hits full potential (which she had not when she was told Alivia was "considerably" stronger). And even then she isn't in awe or fear, merely frustrated that she may not be strong enough to stop Alivia from helping Rand die. Big difference.


Alivia is considerably stronger than Nynaeve, the Kin made a specific mention about how much stronger she is despite their extreme reluctance to talk about strength differences in the Power. Point is her strength scared them enough to point out that they didnt think Nynaeve could contain her.

Second point. Alivia is trained in battle field fighting, big difference between that and a 1:1 duel with an OP master such as Cyndane. She may very well be a better weapon than the AM, but realistically that doesn't mean much beyond knowing combat weaves. She has no sense of how to adapt her weaves to fight a single combatant and since Cyndane is Reversing she can't see what Cyndane is doing... The ter'angreal only stops direct attacks.



Who says so? This is just your opinion, no facts to back it up. The Imperial family have been assasinating each other for hundreds of years. It's quite possible one damange was forced to go against another and trained in the art of 1-1 combat.


Finally, Cyndane didn't just stand still and wait for Alivia's attacks. She sliced flows and ran her ass off. Oddly Cyndane didn't recognize the Paralis Net as both Semirhage and LTT did... But she clearly knew how to combat the thing.

It's no mystery that Cyndane won the fight.


It's still a mystery as to what happened...

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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 3448 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1540 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1299 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 834 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1146 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1160 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1086 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 508 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1042 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 872 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 958 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1106 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1198 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1060 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1005 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1346 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1148 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1080 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 958 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 970 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 891 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1024 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 995 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 949 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1091 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 922 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1007 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 956 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 916 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1007 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1130 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1077 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1047 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 465 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1066 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1024 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 971 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 944 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1297 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 950 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1092 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 576 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1034 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 986 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 941 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 865 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 936 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 910 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 913 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 876 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 823 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 928 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 879 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 927 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 799 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 888 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 514 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 870 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 953 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 987 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 852 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 7809 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 844 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1028 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 964 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 952 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1079 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 932 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 978 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 904 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1021 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1005 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 935 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1011 Views
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