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Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess saidarisnowtainted Send a noteboard - 30/12/2010 04:02:31 PM
the only way i can see anything changing for the future would be if Avienda could be present at the time the pact is entered. Could the timing work? She is the only person who would put two and two together and maybe help avoid this bleak future.

If DomA is right and the future Avi saw was pre VoG, when Rand was the Dark Rand, then it's possible that new Rand, the Light Rand, could pass alone some Light genes to his Aiel kids. After all, his kids were the ones that started all this dark future in the first place.


I don't think it was Dark Rand's viewing she saw. The viewing shows an important part of Rand's legacy, namely the Peace of the Dragon, which Light Rand heavily implies he will request as part of his price to fight the Dark One.

And of course, there is no post-TG viewing for a Dark Rand. The wolves made that clear.


I should have read this before i replied. As always, you have expressed the point succinctly and accurately.
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Avienda's viewing and the Fields of Merrilor (spoilers) saidarisnowtainted - 28/12/2010 06:21:05 PM 3702 Views
Timing moratcorlm - 28/12/2010 06:43:32 PM 2249 Views
Indeed...the bleak future makes the Last Battle almost an anti-climax... Shannow - 28/12/2010 08:20:31 PM 2393 Views
And yet, the only places of relative peace and shelter right now are Seanchan controlled lands. everynametaken - 29/12/2010 03:21:37 AM 1953 Views
+1. Lord Haart - 29/12/2010 04:04:02 AM 1709 Views
Re: +1. Lo'oris - 07/01/2011 05:25:23 PM 1583 Views
Those who would give up permanent liberty in exchange for temporary security, deserve neither.. Shannow - 29/12/2010 10:27:35 AM 1737 Views
Says the person defending monarchies and oligarchies, some of them quite brutal. moratcorlm - 29/12/2010 02:12:56 PM 1694 Views
LoL. What is this "POV trap" that people refer to so often to make a point? Shannow - 29/12/2010 10:00:11 PM 1949 Views
Re: LoL. What is this "POV trap" that people refer to so often to make a point? moratcorlm - 29/12/2010 10:44:12 PM 1771 Views
Why do you have this urge to overcomplicate something as simple as personal likes and dislikes? Shannow - 30/12/2010 10:00:43 AM 1633 Views
Re: Why do you have this urge to overcomplicate something as simple as personal likes and dislikes? Lo'oris - 07/01/2011 05:28:03 PM 1599 Views
"romantic characteristics" Variant - 07/01/2011 06:06:31 AM 1533 Views
Re: "romantic characteristics" Lo'oris - 07/01/2011 05:30:33 PM 1603 Views
Don't blame the Seanchan, The Aiel made an excuse to start a war. Variant - 08/01/2011 09:20:36 AM 2073 Views
Re: Those who would give up permanent liberty in exchange for temporary security, deserve neither.. Zeratul - 29/12/2010 03:06:16 PM 1797 Views
Exactly. *NM* everynametaken - 30/12/2010 02:50:07 AM 1119 Views
They are pretty close to evil. Slavery being the big thing, but the crushing social scale is far darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 06:45:59 PM 1528 Views
The Aiel sold slaves to Shara, does that make them evil? No society in Randland is without flaws. Variant - 07/01/2011 05:10:32 AM 1951 Views
you are missing my point darius_sedai - 07/01/2011 11:31:11 PM 1675 Views
We haven't had a POV from a NON-high-ranking Seanchan moratcorlm - 08/01/2011 03:13:26 AM 25439 Views
As to Bethamin ... darius_sedai - 20/01/2011 04:46:36 PM 1710 Views
No, you're missing the point. Benevolence is irrelevant. Variant - 08/01/2011 09:48:51 AM 1579 Views
Re: No, you're missing the point. Benevolence is irrelevant. Lo'oris - 08/01/2011 10:04:18 AM 1614 Views
Well the Westlands aren't exactly modern Europe or USA either Lohikaarme - 08/01/2011 11:00:31 AM 1649 Views
Re: Well the Westlands aren't exactly modern Europe or USA either Lo'oris - 09/01/2011 02:08:17 AM 1566 Views
That's funny, I'd choose modern day China in a second. Variant - 09/01/2011 06:37:24 AM 1556 Views
Hong Kong is not an accurate representation of the rest of Modern China darius_sedai - 20/01/2011 04:50:20 PM 1530 Views
~sigh~ Cosmopolitan China is different than Rural China Variant - 21/01/2011 01:00:17 AM 1513 Views
well there is also the fact that Hong Kong has different "rules" than even other major darius_sedai - 21/01/2011 05:38:46 PM 1625 Views
I'm not just talking about Hong Kong though... Variant - 22/01/2011 09:36:20 AM 1614 Views
I've traveled extensively darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:02:47 PM 1533 Views
You've traveled to China extensively? Variant - 22/01/2011 07:41:30 PM 1733 Views
the quesetion you responded too is "would you rather live in Medieval Europe of Modern China darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 09:47:24 PM 1848 Views
I responded, "I"d choose modern day china in a second" Variant - 22/01/2011 10:29:46 PM 1686 Views
Actually, China is changing. Variant - 09/01/2011 06:32:58 AM 1660 Views
true to a point, yet China has been under one form or another of totalitarian rule for darius_sedai - 20/01/2011 04:57:37 PM 1601 Views
So? Variant - 21/01/2011 01:20:18 AM 1672 Views
Double post *NM* Variant - 21/01/2011 01:21:10 AM 862 Views
It's the comparative to the Seanchan empire I'm really getting at here, not saying China isn't darius_sedai - 21/01/2011 05:43:56 PM 1692 Views
I don't even know why China was brought up in the first place ~shrugs~ Variant - 22/01/2011 10:04:59 AM 1555 Views
I totally agree with your last point, which is why I think RJ set them up to be the "Evil Empire" darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:12:46 PM 1622 Views
They're not entirely evil though, and RJ has written them that way Variant - 22/01/2011 08:02:22 PM 1571 Views
not so much darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 09:54:38 PM 1573 Views
Your example is absurd. Variant - 22/01/2011 10:53:06 PM 1462 Views
Ah yes, the "Jews can kill you with their minds" argument. *NM* moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 05:32:23 PM 849 Views
Please. Like anyone else in Randland is really free? everynametaken - 30/12/2010 02:47:27 AM 1619 Views
Andor is rather progressive... Allowing the common people to speak their minds darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 06:35:29 PM 1529 Views
Andor is lionized as a huge exception to the general rule moratcorlm - 31/12/2010 11:57:30 PM 1629 Views
Re: Andor is rather progressive... Allowing the common people to speak their minds Zeratul - 01/01/2011 12:18:46 AM 1624 Views
Seanchan is much closer to the Chinese culture. Which has never established democracy darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 06:12:10 AM 2010 Views
Prussia (and with it Germany) would never have changed to democracy if not forced to Voscaia Sedai - 01/01/2011 12:23:34 PM 1506 Views
too easy: they did not have to fight the Shadow, they don't even know shadowspawn really exist as of *NM* Lo'oris - 29/12/2010 02:44:18 PM 917 Views
It goes beyond the channelers. The Seanchan control the population darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 06:00:57 PM 1494 Views
Re: It goes beyond the channelers. The Seanchan control the population moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 10:58:22 PM 1602 Views
Word, even the Tinkers are gathering and migrating to Seanchan held lands in the south. *NM* Variant - 07/01/2011 05:21:09 AM 834 Views
Maybe they're a remnant of humanity Sidious - 29/12/2010 04:41:40 AM 1746 Views
Re: Maybe they're a remnant of humanity moratcorlm - 29/12/2010 02:17:33 PM 1678 Views
Couple of flaws here darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 06:54:13 PM 1598 Views
You are right, here is a better analogy dadof5 - 03/01/2011 06:23:16 PM 1542 Views
Even Hitler didn't think Jews could kill people with their minds moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:22:09 PM 1633 Views
It depends on Rand's sperm I guess Skeeve the Great - 28/12/2010 08:27:59 PM 1631 Views
No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... Shannow - 28/12/2010 08:31:27 PM 1759 Views
Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... Skeeve the Great - 28/12/2010 08:50:28 PM 1617 Views
Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... saidarisnowtainted - 30/12/2010 03:56:55 PM 1702 Views
Because the Aiel are savages who have no place in a modern world moratcorlm - 28/12/2010 11:15:23 PM 1698 Views
Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... saidarisnowtainted - 30/12/2010 04:01:00 PM 1680 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess Ashaman_Luc - 28/12/2010 11:02:34 PM 1599 Views
VoG = Veins of Gold. The chapter at the end of TGS where Rand becomes balanced. *NM* Lord Haart - 29/12/2010 06:56:38 AM 2319 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess Sidious - 29/12/2010 04:37:04 AM 1573 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess Skeeve the Great - 29/12/2010 02:37:12 PM 1610 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess saidarisnowtainted - 30/12/2010 04:02:31 PM 2028 Views
timeline in the books Ava - 29/12/2010 03:34:45 PM 1656 Views
Re: timeline in the books moratcorlm - 29/12/2010 05:29:11 PM 1707 Views
Re: timeline in the books Ava - 31/12/2010 01:18:32 PM 1591 Views
yes thousands and thousands AFTER hundreds of years. these kids were probably slowing since birth. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 08:19:22 PM 1641 Views
Re: yes thousands and thousands AFTER hundreds of years. Ava - 04/01/2011 12:21:59 PM 1465 Views
your premise is that first generation applies to anyone but them. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 09:25:02 PM 1527 Views
Aviendha + Mat (and Seta and Bethamin) are the best hopes. The Angry Druid - 09/01/2011 01:45:00 AM 1637 Views
From a plot standpoint I very much dislike Avienda's visions as well The Count - 20/01/2011 01:39:37 AM 2053 Views
Problem is, the fate of post-TG Randland depends on the viewing being heeded before TG. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2011 10:07:15 AM 790 Views
The Light's victory in the Last Battle was already a foregone conclusion ranagrande - 21/01/2011 03:48:54 PM 1483 Views
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