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Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme Send a noteboard - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM
That's like asking what the Dragon contributed except Sealing away the DO...
Incidentally, she finished the Shadow, once LTT sealed the DO.


Or, perhaps, we could bear in mind that the sane LTT said the women of AoL were wise to refuse to support his plan?


Egwene is committed to stopping something SHE'S decided is unthinkable,

Because the Pattern showed her so...
In a Dream. Dreams are not certain, especially now that the pattern is loose.


You mean the logic of the plot, facts about Dreaming, etc. are all wrong, and RJ intended to break the rules he himself made, and he also secretly told you this? 8}
One of the rules being that Dreams tell about possibilities?



How does her dream show any such thing? It shows Rand breaking Selas and dooming the world. Egwene's reaction isn't even in it!
Ok, now I'll have to check the book when I get it back, but as I recall it wasn't dooming the world, just something terrible happening. The DO being as free as during tWoP is certainly terrible, but also necessary to repair its prison.
I admit I'm looking at this from a readers point of view, rather than Egwenes. But Egwene would have the world do what the WT has tried to do for 3000 years, try to desprately hold the current situation. And where's that got them? a constant decline for 3000 years.


Just that it happens. Its other stuff that hints at the results...

If the result is what you suggest Rand might just do what he threatens to: leave the world to fend for itself. Take off with Min with him and spend the last days in peace?
Stuck in Finnland!
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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2234 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1398 Views
Well! No love lost there echooff - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 894 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? RabidWombat - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1170 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1081 Views
If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ... ajfurst - 16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM 1035 Views
Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM 537 Views
Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM 1164 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1174 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? moratcorlm - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 951 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? fairfax - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1060 Views
That was the case a few books back Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1060 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1064 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1119 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 894 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1052 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 964 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 568 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. fairfax - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1014 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1128 Views
That's not quite true. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 939 Views
That's not quite accurate. moratcorlm - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1177 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 892 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1045 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 957 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1045 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue lilltempest - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1431 Views
I see them as being the same thing. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1055 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy A Deathwatch Guard - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 973 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 963 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1068 Views
Agree with your comments. Rebekah - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1271 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1367 Views
Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM 1141 Views
You need to post more about Egwene Zeratul - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1021 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* Chas - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 531 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1092 Views
Yes, communication is key. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 952 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lohikaarme - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 915 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 838 Views
Definitely... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 955 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 483 Views
That's not right... Hot Pie - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 923 Views
Re: That's not right... fairfax - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1045 Views
What's said above. Plus Lohikaarme - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 893 Views
More explanations... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 918 Views
Re: More explanations... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 975 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. Lohikaarme - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 981 Views
Re: More explanations... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1102 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. BlackAdder - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1023 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. Joel - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 924 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 945 Views
RJ is more powerful. Joel - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1066 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 984 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 986 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1019 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 888 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 980 Views
One example of this... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1015 Views
Re: One example of this... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 881 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 960 Views
That's not quite true. Chas - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 977 Views
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