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But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM
The a'dam is the closest thing to being mindtrapped or Compelled, so I consider that quite significant and not something to be dismissed so easily, especially since she was so young and quite undeveloped as a character when she went through that.

It just seems to me that Egwene went through bad and traumatic events and didn't really get anything worthwhile in exchange. Compared to Rand, Mat and Perrin, it doesn't look like she got a reward for all of her struggles or at least IMHO becoming the leader of the AS seems more like a punishment than a prize.

For all the issues that Rand, Mat and Perrin went through, they got to experience other moments where they really felt that they achieved a victory, which makes their sacrifices worthwhile in the end. To be blunt, Nynaeve has had a lot of moments where she shined, but she never really went through any struggles, indignities or moments where she was completely under someone elses' power so in many ways, she is more of a Mary Sue than Egwene is. Every time Egwene's had a moment in the spotlight, it always turns out to be connected to someone else. Though she Shielded the Black Ajah Sister, it was Mat that had to release her and the others from the Stone. Though she defeated Mesaana, it had more to do with the Dreamspike Perrin brought to Tar Valon that trapped the Forsaken in T'A'R and then Gawyns' protection of her against the bloodknives. When she defeated the Seanchan, she ended up being rescued after she collapsed by Gawyn, Siuan and Gareth.

For me, it seems that the issue many fans have with Egwenes' character arc is that RJ intends for her to be considered a hero alongside Rand, Mat, Nynaeve and Perrin but she is never really given any moment to shine like they do. And then when she is given a moment that could be considered a victory, fans want to minimize it and tear her down for it. It's sad how much ire she provokes in fans because I really don't think she's gotten a chance to do anything that earned it.
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2224 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1386 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 876 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1162 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1070 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1164 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 943 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1050 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1051 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1056 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1110 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 883 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1043 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 952 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 563 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 999 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1116 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 931 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1168 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 882 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1034 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 946 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1035 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1420 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1044 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 963 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1058 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1254 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1355 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1011 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 526 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1080 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 945 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 905 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 828 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 945 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 478 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 910 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1034 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 885 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 907 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 963 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 971 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1093 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1017 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 916 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 932 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1055 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 973 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 977 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1009 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 880 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 972 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1005 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 871 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 950 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 964 Views

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