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Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM
Egwene got the meaning her Dream when she met Rand. She has done that before, getting the meaning of a Dream well after having seen it.
Could you provide examples of Dreams whose meaning she came to believe after the fact? There are a number of symbols she interprets immediately, but I don't remember any where she later just fitted a convenient meaning onto them. The single example of subsequent interpretation I can find is from LOC, the understanding that Gawyn would be her Warder: "She had not realised the words were coming out of her mouth until they did, but once they did, she knew they were true. That dream."

In TOM, there is no such certainty, just free association: "Break the seals? She saw the image from her dream, Rand hacking at the ropes that bound the crystalline globe." Moreover, the Dream itself does not impute any sense of wrongness to the destruction of the globe; her opposition to breaking the seals is based purely on her own fear.
But they all think his plan is crazy. Opposing his plan doesn't mean betraying him.
If he gives them an order, it certainly does. He's supposed to be crazy; they knew that when they signed on.
She has a Dream, she acts on it.
That the Seals need to be broken is far too well foreshadowed for her opposition to bear out. Rand's plan is certainly flawed; we know that touching both saidin and saidar to Shai'tan would result in catastrophe. And Egwene's opposition will be important. But her personal belief that the seals should not be shattered is based on no Dreamer's prophecy, and will need to be overcome.
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Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 562 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 999 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1116 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 930 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1167 Views
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Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1420 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1044 Views
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Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1057 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1251 Views
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Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 945 Views
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That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 910 Views
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What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 885 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 907 Views
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One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1005 Views
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That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 964 Views

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