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RJ is more powerful. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM
The moment she mentions her Dream, she'll turn the tables on Rand.

First and foremost, that will cement the Aes Sedai behind her. They ignored her Dream and her interpretation of it once before, and paid greatly for it. They will not do so again.

The Wise Ones will completely support her, since they know, more than anyone else, that a Dreamer's interpretation is what counts.

With the WO and AS solidly behind Egwene, the Windfinders and the Kin will fall in line too. Already, you have what very neatly resembles the Fateful Concord.

Nynaeve might now disagree, but I'm unsure she'll disregard Egwene's dream. The true mystery in all this is why Egwene didn't lead her arguments against Rand with her Dream. Maybe she means to keep to the end for dramatic effect. Brandon screwed up by not showing her reasoning.

With all, or most, of the female channelers supporting Egwene, the nations will almost certainly go in her direction too.

And this is supported by Egwene's previous Dream, where Rand confronts a bunch of women around Egwene, and a Seanchan is one of them:

Rand confronting her, and the women with her, and one of them was a Seanchan.

It seems clear to me, that far from losing her power, she will consolidate it when she confronts Rand. A Latra-Lews type confrontation is brewing, and as in the past, I think both Rand and Egwene have a piece of the puzzle right.

Um... wasn't Latras plan to use the Choedan Kal in some never defined way? The Choedan Kals whose access keys were made in areas that fell to the Shadow ere they were completed and whose research teams were heavily infiltrated by the Forsaken without the Aes Sedai every knowing it? Exactly what did Latra Posae contribute apart from ensuring that no women were affected by the Taint? Bearing in mind that (admittedly mad) LTT still thinks the reason the DOs counterstrike was possible was due to the fact there were no women available to link.

Egwene is committed to stopping something SHE'S decided is unthinkable, which would be fine if Jordan hadn't made unmistakably clear it's going to happen wtf the Watcher of the Seals believes, Dreams or has inscribed on tablets from Mt. Horeb. If all the other saidar channelers want to get on that road to nowhere they certainly may, but they'll end up the same place. Egwene can line up every channeler of BOTH sexes and extort her childhood sweetheart with every army in Randland (she apparently intends to do precisely the latter) but it's going to happen whether she likes it or not. What in her Dream indicates otherwise? Perhaps she didn't mention it because all it would do is tell Rand she means to face him down with every available ally she can find, that she apparently even trusts a faceless Seanchan woman (almost certainly Tuon) more than him. Is there anything in the Dream to indicate she wins that confrontation, or just that it happens...?
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2234 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1399 Views
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Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 952 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1060 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1061 Views
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 964 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 568 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1014 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1129 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 940 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1178 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 893 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1045 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 957 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1046 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1431 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1055 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 973 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1069 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1271 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1021 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 531 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1092 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 953 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 916 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 841 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 957 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 485 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 925 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1046 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 896 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 921 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 976 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 983 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1103 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1025 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 925 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 946 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1068 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 985 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 986 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1022 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 891 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 980 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1016 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 881 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 960 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 978 Views

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