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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM
Fair points, I take back the "positive reinforcement" thing I said.

As I've said before, my biggest issue with Egwene is that she falls into the Pratchettian definition of evil: she treats people as things. One of the only times in the last few books that I can recall her even trying to empathise with someone was when she obtusely compared her imprisonment to Rand's. She clearly knows some details of his capture, and yet she compares a prison cell with a coffin, spanking with beating, and her fears for the tower with Rand's fears for the fate of the entire world. And to top that off, Rand was forced to watch his lover being beaten even harder than he was. Egwene just seems out of touch with people. She understands how they think and work, and she can negotiate well enough, but she doesn't actually feel for them. Nicola dies because of her bad planning, and all we get is a sentence or two of mild regret followed by justification. Siuan saves her life, but Egwene is too paranoid to trust her. Nynaeve's experiences were so far beyond any pain we've seen caused to Egwene that it's mindboggling, yet this is done for pure political expediency. Compare Egwene's thought process to any other major character; the only one who somewhat matches is Dark Rand.

She's had a month now - why aren't the Yellow and Green Ajahs out on the blight border holding back the tide? Because Egwene is thinking like Dark Rand; it's all about winning the LB, not about winning a future for humanity. A person can have all the traits and abilities of legendary leadership, but if they place that leadership before their own humanity then they are nothing more than an administrative machine.
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2223 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1386 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 876 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1162 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1069 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1163 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 942 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1050 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1049 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1055 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1110 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 882 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1043 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 952 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 562 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 999 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1116 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 930 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1168 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 882 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1034 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 946 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1035 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1420 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1044 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 963 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1058 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1254 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1010 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 526 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1080 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 944 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 905 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 828 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 945 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 478 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 910 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1034 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 885 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 907 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 963 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 971 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1093 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1017 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 915 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 932 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1055 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 973 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 976 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1009 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 880 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 972 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1005 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 871 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 950 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 964 Views

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