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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM
Fair points, I take back the "positive reinforcement" thing I said.

As I've said before, my biggest issue with Egwene is that she falls into the Pratchettian definition of evil: she treats people as things. One of the only times in the last few books that I can recall her even trying to empathise with someone was when she obtusely compared her imprisonment to Rand's. She clearly knows some details of his capture, and yet she compares a prison cell with a coffin, spanking with beating, and her fears for the tower with Rand's fears for the fate of the entire world. And to top that off, Rand was forced to watch his lover being beaten even harder than he was. Egwene just seems out of touch with people. She understands how they think and work, and she can negotiate well enough, but she doesn't actually feel for them. Nicola dies because of her bad planning, and all we get is a sentence or two of mild regret followed by justification. Siuan saves her life, but Egwene is too paranoid to trust her. Nynaeve's experiences were so far beyond any pain we've seen caused to Egwene that it's mindboggling, yet this is done for pure political expediency. Compare Egwene's thought process to any other major character; the only one who somewhat matches is Dark Rand.

She's had a month now - why aren't the Yellow and Green Ajahs out on the blight border holding back the tide? Because Egwene is thinking like Dark Rand; it's all about winning the LB, not about winning a future for humanity. A person can have all the traits and abilities of legendary leadership, but if they place that leadership before their own humanity then they are nothing more than an administrative machine.
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2144 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1299 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 792 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1075 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 998 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1112 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 868 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 976 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 966 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 966 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1025 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 812 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 971 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 871 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 533 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 924 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1037 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 850 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1120 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 836 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 939 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 873 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 965 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1336 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 965 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 885 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 975 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1169 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 932 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 495 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1006 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 866 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 827 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 778 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 865 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 446 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 831 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 956 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 799 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 832 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 892 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 891 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1019 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 937 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 827 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 862 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 963 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 898 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 896 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 945 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 808 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 891 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 928 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 793 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 880 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 877 Views

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