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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM
Fair points, I take back the "positive reinforcement" thing I said.

As I've said before, my biggest issue with Egwene is that she falls into the Pratchettian definition of evil: she treats people as things. One of the only times in the last few books that I can recall her even trying to empathise with someone was when she obtusely compared her imprisonment to Rand's. She clearly knows some details of his capture, and yet she compares a prison cell with a coffin, spanking with beating, and her fears for the tower with Rand's fears for the fate of the entire world. And to top that off, Rand was forced to watch his lover being beaten even harder than he was. Egwene just seems out of touch with people. She understands how they think and work, and she can negotiate well enough, but she doesn't actually feel for them. Nicola dies because of her bad planning, and all we get is a sentence or two of mild regret followed by justification. Siuan saves her life, but Egwene is too paranoid to trust her. Nynaeve's experiences were so far beyond any pain we've seen caused to Egwene that it's mindboggling, yet this is done for pure political expediency. Compare Egwene's thought process to any other major character; the only one who somewhat matches is Dark Rand.

She's had a month now - why aren't the Yellow and Green Ajahs out on the blight border holding back the tide? Because Egwene is thinking like Dark Rand; it's all about winning the LB, not about winning a future for humanity. A person can have all the traits and abilities of legendary leadership, but if they place that leadership before their own humanity then they are nothing more than an administrative machine.
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2234 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1398 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 894 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1170 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1081 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1174 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 952 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1060 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1061 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1064 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1119 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 894 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1052 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 964 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 568 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1014 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1128 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 940 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1178 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 893 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1045 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 957 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1046 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1431 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1055 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 973 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1069 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1271 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1021 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 531 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1092 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 953 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 915 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 839 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 956 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 484 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 924 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1045 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 894 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 919 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 975 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 981 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1102 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1024 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 925 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 946 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1066 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 984 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 986 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1019 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 888 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 980 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1015 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 881 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 960 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 978 Views

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