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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM

I'm not so sure about the appointment part. From what I understand, the Hall has a great deal of influence over this process. Besides, what offices are there to which Egwene can make appointments? The only one I can think of it as ambassadors to other nations; the Hall and Ajahs run the rest.


The power of apppointment can be used either positively or negatively. Egwene can appoint sisters who oppose her to meaningless tasks or meaningless places without input from the Hall. An ally of Romanda could be sent to Arad Doman to distribute food, an ally of Lelaine could be given task of rat removal for Tar Valon, and if you really piss Egwene off you could be sent as a Windfinder instructor. On a positive note Egwene can make appointments that strengthen he position in the Tower. Silvliana is an example. Egwene got a very competetant Keeper and she made a gesture that would get Red support. Egwene can use appointments to weaken her foes and strengthen her supporters.


Which makes her a tyrant, rather than a good leader per say. A good leader unites people with positive reinforcement, a tyrant makes paranoid decisions like demoting enemies. If she goes that path, she's no better than Elaida.


Egwene can rely on what, ten Aes Sedai? Out of approximately 1000? Elayne and Nynaeve aren't planning on living their lives in the Tower to be able to support her, so while trustworthy I really can't count on them as being reliable when it really comes down to it. As you say, she'll need 20 years for all the novices to become AS before she's able to rely on them. In the interrim, she'll have to fight tooth and nail to get anything done.


I think Egwene can rely on a few more than ten Aes Sedai. The Aes Sedai who really oppose Egwene are few in number. Most of the Aes Sedai will support Egwene because she is the Amyrlin. Romanda, Lelaine, and their handful of supporters will continue to oppose some if not most of Egwene policies, but I don't think they want to overthrow Egwene with Tarmon Gaidan just around the corner.

I guess we will have to disagree on the power of the moral suasion of Nyneave and Elayne. I think most Aes Seadai seeing Egwene being supported by the Queen of Malkier, defeater of Moggy, healer of the stilled, healer of the taint, healer of taint madness, healer of the weather, and the most powerful channeler in the Tower would give supporting Egwene a thought.


IMO, using the respect of others as a justification of leadership only goes so far. If she is a GOOD leader, she will at least be respected (not feared) by her enemies. IMO, a big part of this is humility. Her decisions should be respected because they make sense on their own, not because she is the one putting them forward. So far, I think her decision making hasn't been too bad, everything given, but coming up to Merrilor I see a situation where her ego could affect her rationality.
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2397 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1571 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 1069 Views
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Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 1154 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1226 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1225 Views
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Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 691 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1181 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1293 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 1096 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1345 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 1063 Views
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She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1225 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1632 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1240 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 1140 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 1131 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1234 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1584 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1210 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 657 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1257 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 1112 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 1087 Views
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Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 1110 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 595 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 1092 Views
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What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 1062 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 1094 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 1165 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 1183 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1269 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1193 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 1079 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 1109 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1247 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 1144 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 1144 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1192 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 1063 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 1150 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1181 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 1042 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 1133 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 1150 Views

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