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She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM
I think you mistake not having subjects bound to obey her every whim without debate with not having a power base; as the lawfully Raised Amyrlin, all initiates of the White Tower are loyal to her, and it would take a lot of mistakes on her part to lose it. It may not appear this way to us because we have privileged information, but there was a reason that openly opposing an Amyrlin was viewed with shock - this is a deeply democratic institution. The fact that there is discussion, open debate and internal structures that balance the power of the Amyrlin shows its' health as an organization. Many of the changes she has implemented has made the White Tower more healthy than it had been before - especially some of the secondary outcomes of her actions (ie: the law that any new course of action needed the full Hall to review before approving it means political backstabbing and secrecy will be reduced).

Egwene is a scholarly type with a drive to best the best at whatever she sets her mind to. I believe that you confuse this drive with a lack of identity. She didn't feel a need to "be the best damane she could be!" once captured by the Seanchan, because this drive is very much connected to her sense of independence and self-control. In other words, she felt empowered by the Aes Sedai and the Wise Ones, and hastened to learn as much as she could from them. In my opinion, this is a good quality for a leader to have (especially when you are leading a community versus a single nation), as it confers a breadth of knowledge and ability to recognize the best in each community.

Is she perfect? No, but I would say that of all the characters, she is the most like Rand. The qualities you would call "Mary Sue"-like are remarkably similar to being "t'a'veren".
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2234 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1398 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 894 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1170 Views
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1174 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 952 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1060 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1061 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1064 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1119 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 894 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1052 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 964 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 568 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1014 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1128 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 940 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1178 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 892 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1045 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 957 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1046 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1431 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1055 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 973 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1069 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1271 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1021 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 531 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1092 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 953 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 915 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 839 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 956 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 484 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 924 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1045 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 894 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 918 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 975 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 981 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1102 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1024 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 925 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 946 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1066 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 984 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 986 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1019 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 888 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 980 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1015 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 881 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 960 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 978 Views

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