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She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM
I think you mistake not having subjects bound to obey her every whim without debate with not having a power base; as the lawfully Raised Amyrlin, all initiates of the White Tower are loyal to her, and it would take a lot of mistakes on her part to lose it. It may not appear this way to us because we have privileged information, but there was a reason that openly opposing an Amyrlin was viewed with shock - this is a deeply democratic institution. The fact that there is discussion, open debate and internal structures that balance the power of the Amyrlin shows its' health as an organization. Many of the changes she has implemented has made the White Tower more healthy than it had been before - especially some of the secondary outcomes of her actions (ie: the law that any new course of action needed the full Hall to review before approving it means political backstabbing and secrecy will be reduced).

Egwene is a scholarly type with a drive to best the best at whatever she sets her mind to. I believe that you confuse this drive with a lack of identity. She didn't feel a need to "be the best damane she could be!" once captured by the Seanchan, because this drive is very much connected to her sense of independence and self-control. In other words, she felt empowered by the Aes Sedai and the Wise Ones, and hastened to learn as much as she could from them. In my opinion, this is a good quality for a leader to have (especially when you are leading a community versus a single nation), as it confers a breadth of knowledge and ability to recognize the best in each community.

Is she perfect? No, but I would say that of all the characters, she is the most like Rand. The qualities you would call "Mary Sue"-like are remarkably similar to being "t'a'veren".
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2224 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1387 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 877 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1163 Views
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1164 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 943 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1050 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1051 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1056 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1111 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 883 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1044 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 953 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 563 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 999 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1116 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 931 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1168 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 882 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1035 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 947 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1036 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1421 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1044 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 964 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1059 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1254 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1011 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 526 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1080 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 945 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 905 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 829 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 945 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 479 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 910 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1035 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 885 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 908 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 963 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 971 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1093 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1017 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 916 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 932 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1055 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 973 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 977 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1010 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 880 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 972 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1006 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 872 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 951 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 965 Views

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