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I wish lilltempest Send a noteboard - 16/12/2010 08:29:23 PM
Interpreting the 23 stars in this way clearly leads to an interpretation of the sphere as the Tower, with Rand then leading to a collapse of its power and authority - something he would do with sadness (the shaking of his head) but would do if it were necessary. (The ropes are potentially the ties that bind the nations to the Tower). There is potentially an event coming soon at which he will do just that - the confrontation at the Field of Merrilor, where he and Egwene will confront each other over what must be done next, vying for the support of the world's leaders.

It is particularly ironic that Egwene has interpreted the dream in the opposite way, thus indirectly setting into motion the very events that will bring about the outcome it predicts.

Thoughts?



Personally, I'd love it if Rand's meeting there meant the end of the WT's (and Egwene's) stranglehold on the world. Unfortunately, I think DomA is correct in his assessment and Egwene will be "right" yet again. I think RJ must have had some sort of directive that Egwene could never be wrong about anything. It makes me ill, but what do you expect for a Mary Sue character?

That said, I'd like to point something out about Rand's meeting with her. I've seen numerous people claiming that Egwene was not affected by Rand and is immune to his ta'veren nature, but that isn't true. She got dizzy when he arrived, a clear sign, one she even recognized, that she was affected by him. So while Egwene may be little miss perfect mary sue pukefest, she isn't immune to ta'veren.
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The significance of 23 stars (TOM Spoilers) Iain83 - 14/12/2010 11:48:55 PM 3819 Views
It would be a first... DomA - 15/12/2010 02:46:33 AM 1664 Views
Re: It would be a first... Hot Pie - 15/12/2010 04:39:17 AM 1301 Views
I think people aren't giving Egwene enough credit. LadyLorraine - 15/12/2010 04:59:09 AM 1349 Views
She's not bringing everyone for a discussion, but for leverage to force him to change his mind. Joel - 19/12/2010 09:54:49 PM 1266 Views
fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 01:50:39 AM 1273 Views
Re: Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 04:37:24 AM 1111 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 05:09:39 AM 1176 Views
I find the theory moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:18:34 AM 1113 Views
That's a new one to me guttering flame - 20/12/2010 09:45:09 AM 1217 Views
Your theory is very unlikely guttering flame - 20/12/2010 09:50:26 AM 1221 Views
If it was a plant, why would it be so oblique? Lord Haart - 29/12/2010 07:22:58 AM 1070 Views
Re: darius_sedai - 20/12/2010 08:09:53 PM 1290 Views
That's not true. Chas - 21/12/2010 02:22:50 AM 1354 Views
Sadly, the thing you reference four times isn't actually anywhere in the book. Joel - 29/12/2010 03:17:15 AM 1369 Views
+1 Lord Haart - 29/12/2010 07:10:41 AM 1227 Views
I think the Tower needs a singular leader, though you may be right. Joel - 29/12/2010 12:51:19 PM 1233 Views
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think I love you. (edited) lilltempest - 29/12/2010 06:43:32 PM 1492 Views
Ah, if only I could sell the concept of sister-wives.... Joel - 29/12/2010 07:09:56 PM 1121 Views
Re: It would be a first... DomA - 15/12/2010 12:43:49 PM 1704 Views
Dear lord, you wrote the Egwene haters' ultimate fantasy right there newyorkersedai - 19/12/2010 01:41:55 AM 1220 Views
Don't think of use as Egwene haters... Lord Haart - 19/12/2010 04:32:11 AM 1180 Views
One problematic issue...This assumes the Dark One cannot hold himself back once the Seals are broken Shannow - 15/12/2010 07:57:53 AM 1362 Views
Err, it's the other way around guttering flame - 15/12/2010 09:00:38 AM 1277 Views
I see. It's the same thing, really, just looking at it from the opposite perspective... Shannow - 15/12/2010 09:14:22 AM 1356 Views
Don't you know it's all about the posturing guttering flame - 15/12/2010 09:40:15 AM 1328 Views
agreed, it'd also be a terribly boring book to read if the DO was defensive Iceman - 15/12/2010 09:56:37 AM 1325 Views
It's more that you take it out of context DomA - 15/12/2010 11:32:36 AM 1334 Views
So then... Shannow - 15/12/2010 06:35:02 PM 1313 Views
Re: So then... DomA - 16/12/2010 03:39:19 AM 1233 Views
Re: So then... Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 08:11:37 AM 1210 Views
Mierin guttering flame - 16/12/2010 08:13:55 AM 1415 Views
It would be a good strategy for a conventional war, but redhand - 16/12/2010 07:32:30 AM 1254 Views
The DO will be forced to act because breaking the seals is inherently an attempt to seal the bore... Onarishma - 15/12/2010 08:51:38 PM 1246 Views
Nature of the DO Kieran - 15/12/2010 10:38:24 PM 1139 Views
While I agree overall, I think this is a case where Rand/TDR mistakes his role RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2010 05:37:25 PM 1122 Views
I don't see why Egwene would oppose his plan guttering flame - 15/12/2010 06:17:47 PM 1130 Views
I don't think that's the issue. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2010 07:31:03 PM 1201 Views
I think Egwene is successful and Rand has to go to the Seanchan for female channeler assistance Logain - 18/12/2010 12:47:54 AM 1252 Views
Egwene's dream seems a little more personal than that Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 04:55:37 AM 1103 Views
Yes moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 07:57:35 AM 1122 Views
Actually, I think Tuon will capture her, and then release her. *NM* Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:47:42 PM 600 Views
Re: It would be a first... lodlom - 18/12/2010 02:48:40 PM 1145 Views
Re: It would be a first... lodlom - 18/12/2010 03:28:57 PM 1129 Views
Those are vewings and prophesies... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:43:55 PM 984 Views
wow. I'm not an egwene hater but I will if the freaking idiot sitters & she are the stars newyorkersedai - 15/12/2010 12:02:12 PM 1220 Views
I wish lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:29:23 PM 1192 Views
That's just it: Egwene is not only wrong, she's narratively wrong. Joel - 19/12/2010 11:30:35 PM 1564 Views
Man, that's the best take on Egwene I have ever read. Chas - 20/12/2010 12:38:07 AM 1169 Views
+1 Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 01:07:24 AM 1242 Views
You may be onto something there. Joel - 20/12/2010 01:35:46 AM 1191 Views
Thanks. Joel - 20/12/2010 01:24:42 AM 1142 Views
Re: That's just it: Egwene is not only wrong, she's narratively wrong. AshaShan - 20/12/2010 04:39:57 PM 1270 Views
Wish I'd read this sooner, 'cos I agree on several points. Joel - 29/12/2010 03:38:59 AM 1197 Views
Re: Wish I'd read this sooner, 'cos I agree on several points. Lord Haart - 29/12/2010 07:32:49 AM 1170 Views
It seems an odd oversight, yes; I can't even recall her being Delved when the truth was revealed. Joel - 29/12/2010 12:40:00 PM 1203 Views
Ensure this value has at most 100 characters (it has 101). Lord Haart - 29/12/2010 03:00:22 PM 2918 Views
Ah, good point; Rand might have to do the job himself. Joel - 29/12/2010 06:43:44 PM 1162 Views
More likely to be Flinn. Lohikaarme - 29/12/2010 08:18:19 PM 1185 Views
Maybe, once he knows the signs and techniques. Joel - 30/12/2010 03:10:27 PM 1187 Views
Not sure if Rand had seized the source yet - he wouldn't have wanted to do it in front of Ramshalan Lord Haart - 30/12/2010 03:15:43 PM 1123 Views
Good point, too. Joel - 30/12/2010 03:17:06 PM 1110 Views
He was holding the gateway open. *NM* moratcorlm - 30/12/2010 04:27:25 PM 581 Views
Thanks, had forgotten that. Joel - 31/12/2010 04:43:25 AM 1108 Views
Not only must I agree with you, but I think you've divined Egwenes ultimate destiny. Joel - 29/12/2010 03:41:59 AM 1218 Views
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