Interpreting the 23 stars in this way clearly leads to an interpretation of the sphere as the Tower, with Rand then leading to a collapse of its power and authority - something he would do with sadness (the shaking of his head) but would do if it were necessary. (The ropes are potentially the ties that bind the nations to the Tower). There is potentially an event coming soon at which he will do just that - the confrontation at the Field of Merrilor, where he and Egwene will confront each other over what must be done next, vying for the support of the world's leaders.
It is particularly ironic that Egwene has interpreted the dream in the opposite way, thus indirectly setting into motion the very events that will bring about the outcome it predicts.
Thoughts?
It is particularly ironic that Egwene has interpreted the dream in the opposite way, thus indirectly setting into motion the very events that will bring about the outcome it predicts.
Thoughts?
Personally, I'd love it if Rand's meeting there meant the end of the WT's (and Egwene's) stranglehold on the world. Unfortunately, I think DomA is correct in his assessment and Egwene will be "right" yet again. I think RJ must have had some sort of directive that Egwene could never be wrong about anything. It makes me ill, but what do you expect for a Mary Sue character?
That said, I'd like to point something out about Rand's meeting with her. I've seen numerous people claiming that Egwene was not affected by Rand and is immune to his ta'veren nature, but that isn't true. She got dizzy when he arrived, a clear sign, one she even recognized, that she was affected by him. So while Egwene may be little miss perfect mary sue pukefest, she isn't immune to ta'veren.
The significance of 23 stars (TOM Spoilers)
14/12/2010 11:48:55 PM
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It would be a first...
15/12/2010 02:46:33 AM
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Re: It would be a first...
15/12/2010 04:39:17 AM
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I think people aren't giving Egwene enough credit.
15/12/2010 04:59:09 AM
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She's not bringing everyone for a discussion, but for leverage to force him to change his mind.
19/12/2010 09:54:49 PM
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20/12/2010 01:50:39 AM
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20/12/2010 04:37:24 AM
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Sadly, the thing you reference four times isn't actually anywhere in the book.
29/12/2010 03:17:15 AM
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+1
29/12/2010 07:10:41 AM
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I think the Tower needs a singular leader, though you may be right.
29/12/2010 12:51:19 PM
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Re: It would be a first...
15/12/2010 12:43:49 PM
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Dear lord, you wrote the Egwene haters' ultimate fantasy right there
19/12/2010 01:41:55 AM
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One problematic issue...This assumes the Dark One cannot hold himself back once the Seals are broken
15/12/2010 07:57:53 AM
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Err, it's the other way around
15/12/2010 09:00:38 AM
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I see. It's the same thing, really, just looking at it from the opposite perspective...
15/12/2010 09:14:22 AM
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Don't you know it's all about the posturing
15/12/2010 09:40:15 AM
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agreed, it'd also be a terribly boring book to read if the DO was defensive
15/12/2010 09:56:37 AM
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It's more that you take it out of context
15/12/2010 11:32:36 AM
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The DO will be forced to act because breaking the seals is inherently an attempt to seal the bore...
15/12/2010 08:51:38 PM
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While I agree overall, I think this is a case where Rand/TDR mistakes his role
15/12/2010 05:37:25 PM
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I think Egwene is successful and Rand has to go to the Seanchan for female channeler assistance
18/12/2010 12:47:54 AM
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Egwene's dream seems a little more personal than that
18/12/2010 04:55:37 AM
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Yes
18/12/2010 07:57:35 AM
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Actually, I think Tuon will capture her, and then release her. *NM*
18/12/2010 02:47:42 PM
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Re: It would be a first...
18/12/2010 02:48:40 PM
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wow. I'm not an egwene hater but I will if the freaking idiot sitters & she are the stars
15/12/2010 12:02:12 PM
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I wish
16/12/2010 08:29:23 PM
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That's just it: Egwene is not only wrong, she's narratively wrong.
19/12/2010 11:30:35 PM
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Man, that's the best take on Egwene I have ever read.
20/12/2010 12:38:07 AM
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Re: That's just it: Egwene is not only wrong, she's narratively wrong.
20/12/2010 04:39:57 PM
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Wish I'd read this sooner, 'cos I agree on several points.
29/12/2010 03:38:59 AM
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Re: Wish I'd read this sooner, 'cos I agree on several points.
29/12/2010 07:32:49 AM
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It seems an odd oversight, yes; I can't even recall her being Delved when the truth was revealed.
29/12/2010 12:40:00 PM
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Ensure this value has at most 100 characters (it has 101).
29/12/2010 03:00:22 PM
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Ah, good point; Rand might have to do the job himself.
29/12/2010 06:43:44 PM
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More likely to be Flinn.
29/12/2010 08:18:19 PM
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Maybe, once he knows the signs and techniques.
30/12/2010 03:10:27 PM
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Not sure if Rand had seized the source yet - he wouldn't have wanted to do it in front of Ramshalan
30/12/2010 03:15:43 PM
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Not only must I agree with you, but I think you've divined Egwenes ultimate destiny.
29/12/2010 03:41:59 AM
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