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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand Send a noteboard - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM
Before I go any further, I will declare that I dislike Egwene as a character. Having said that, after reading TOM, I have a strange feeling about Egwene's future.

It seems to me, that she is a very odd leader, a leader without a power base. When I look at other leaders for the Light, they all have a power base, a group of people who shares something essential with them, a reason to follow them.

Mat has his Band. They follow him to survive till the Last Battle.

Perrin has the Two River folks, and the refuges with him will probably settle into the Two River area. They follow him to have safety and future prosperity in the Two River area.

Rand has the Aiel, who follow him to have a future with honor. Those who don't believe so had already joined the Shaido. Despite the lack of evidence so far, most of the Aiel still believe Rand will bring them great honor, based on faith in dreams, fortellings, and the WO's work behind the scenes. But they do support Rand out of a genuie belief, and they will continue to support Rand as long as they continue to believe in him.

Elayne has the Houses of Andor. They all want safety and prosperity. And when they saw her having the same desire as them, and having the capability of a good Queen, those Houses became her power base.

But who can Egwene rely on? Who form the power base of Egwene? As far as I can tell, Egwene just pit one group of AS against another group of AS, and hang on to the position without any group to call her own. Even the Green did not support her any stronger than any other Ajah, as can be seen from the secret Hall meeting. I think her lack of a power base is due to her lacking an identity of her own.

As I think harder on this, I believe based on Egwene's character growth so far, she is not fit for a leader. Let us Look back into her history. In EoTW, she want to be the best water carrier. When She met the Aiel Wise Ones, she want to be the best Aiel. When she joins the rebels, she want to be the best AS. She would take up the traits of whoever she come in contact with, and grow into that role very quickly.

That, to me, is the trait of a Great Follower. She would be a Great Administrator, after someone else had set up all the rules. In fact, Rand saw through this, and ask her to gather the world's army for him. That is percisely the job of an administrator.

An administrator does not need a power base, it only needs to evenly apply the rules given. A leader on the other hand, needs to have a vision, an idea that her followers can aspire to, and a way to realize that vision.


She can follow the rules very well, and take advantage of the rules very well. Her time with the Rebel AS had proven so. But so far, I don't see her coming up with any good rules, a vision of her own. Her flip-flop on the Three Oaths. Her insistence on the Tests. Her denial of her Dream about alliance with the Seanchan. She is not a good leader. John McCain was captured and tortured in Vietnam. And I am not sure if Egwene can claim her experience with the Seanchan is worse than John McCain's. John McCain can go to Vietnam without his personal grudges. Can Egwene do the same? If she want to be a good political leader, she must be able to do that, and put aside her personal feelings.
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2222 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1386 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 875 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1162 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1069 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1163 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 942 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1050 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1048 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1054 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1110 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 881 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1043 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 952 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 562 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 999 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1116 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 930 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1167 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 881 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1034 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 946 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1035 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1420 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1044 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 963 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1057 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1251 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1010 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 526 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1080 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 943 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 905 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 828 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 945 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 478 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 910 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1034 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 885 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 907 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 963 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 970 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1093 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1014 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 915 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 932 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1055 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 973 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 976 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1009 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 880 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 971 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1005 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 871 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 950 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 964 Views

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