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Meh Sidious Send a noteboard - 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM

There is no proof that the Aes Sedai are better at shielding than the Aiel. We only know that the Aes Sedai know how to shield a man, which the Wise Ones do not, because they send their men to the Blight. Amys is just as good at shielding as any Aes Sedai. Even with that, there is no proof that there is any skill to shielding other than holding the weave (apart from the Talent).


Mylen shields Joline, Teslyn and Edesina. Combined, those three likely exceed Egwene, or equal her at worst. It is extremely unlikely that Mylen is even as strong as Amys. So it does look like Aes Sedai shield better than Wise Ones.


This is all very iffy, and there's no proof that Amys couldn't have done this deed. I've never seen evidence that shielding can improve with practice, unlike some other more complicated weaves like Healing. There seem to be people who have a Talent (like Berowin), but other than that, all Aes Sedai/channelers seem to be the same. When Galina is held by the Wise Ones she mentions their strength and how she can break the shield... she never factors in their skill or lack thereof.
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More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:45:27 PM 3231 Views
Yes. Cannoli - 09/12/2010 04:39:58 PM 1545 Views
No. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:34:57 PM 1398 Views
Indeed! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:39:47 PM 756 Views
Actually...exponential or at least non-linear makes alot of sense to me Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:27:29 PM 1310 Views
Nope. Then Rand would be able to crush 13 Aes Sedai with ease. Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:32:53 PM 1542 Views
Three things: Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:47:30 PM 1337 Views
That quote is incorrect as it contradicts all other evidence from later books... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:51:02 PM 1306 Views
If strength isn't linear and on a steep enough curve that could work. Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 07:22:24 PM 1347 Views
I think that RJ's statement that the strongest man and strongest women were equal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 03:23:12 PM 1238 Views
I wasn't aware this was an issue? LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:45:02 PM 1354 Views
I just hope aMoL finally reveals who's going to be the Dragon Reborn...these lesser debates can hang *NM* Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:26:37 PM 832 Views
*Spoiler* TGS and TOM revealed that Egwene is the DR. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 07:57:53 PM 1103 Views
Agreed. Joel - 20/12/2010 01:17:32 AM 1412 Views
not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:46:42 PM 1335 Views
and you'll note that none of the angreal are considered particularly strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:48:14 PM 1269 Views
She probably weaved them separately on account of being pregnant *NM* Kieran - 09/12/2010 04:56:12 PM 810 Views
Pregnancy seems to be interfere with her ability to grasp the power darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:06:15 PM 1303 Views
I don't know if it's a more complex CHANNELING undertaking, though LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 05:42:57 PM 1222 Views
I don't have the book handy, but she talks about the level of complexity darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:45:52 PM 1330 Views
hmm, but we still don't know if it's the weaves or the process that is so complex LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 06:28:14 PM 1136 Views
Well according to Monaella it makes it harder to Channel, but from Elayne's POV darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 06:52:55 PM 1247 Views
Re: not really Zeratul - 09/12/2010 05:16:02 PM 1235 Views
Angreal have buffers moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:38:45 PM 1257 Views
none of them are very strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:38:49 PM 1229 Views
We never really get a feel for their relative strengths redqueen - 09/12/2010 05:51:38 PM 1143 Views
Re: We never really get a feel for their relative strengths sleepinghour - 09/12/2010 10:00:23 PM 1381 Views
Exactly moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:36:52 AM 1403 Views
Yes. In PoD Aviendha states that the woman-wrapped-in-hair angreal almost doubles her strength... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:30:41 PM 1265 Views
you have the wrong angreal and the wrong strength darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 07:07:18 PM 1248 Views
Nope. You are the one whose got the wrong angreal... Shannow - 09/12/2010 07:15:38 PM 1051 Views
where is that quote my friend? darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:07:50 PM 1114 Views
PoD: The Breaking Storm Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:16:58 PM 1064 Views
Ah yes, ... "almost 2x as much" still doesn't support your assertion that Nyn is 50% above Elayne darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:20:37 PM 1210 Views
That's a gross skewing of what that sentence means... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:05:05 PM 1225 Views
Don't be absurd... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:21:00 PM 1223 Views
Yes, but does BS know that? Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:26:10 PM 1158 Views
Nonsense... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:45:17 PM 1182 Views
she does not say that! she says Moghedien could kill her before she could react. so could Daigian darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:34:50 PM 1290 Views
"The only Aes Sedai who could hope to match one of the Forsaken was in Ebou Dar..." Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:44:25 PM 1314 Views
And yet... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:48:34 PM 1225 Views
No, Egwene does NOT think she can defeat Mesaana in a One Power battle... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:59:35 PM 1461 Views
Here are te quotes... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM 1260 Views
Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana? Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM 1265 Views
It might interest you to know that that was Katerine! fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM 1073 Views
Oh nonsense Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM 1154 Views
But that's his point. Gher - 10/12/2010 06:01:59 AM 1159 Views
its a useless point Sidious - 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM 1259 Views
Yes, utterly useless... Shannow - 10/12/2010 11:46:15 AM 1205 Views
Dude, you need to re-read the books... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:15:11 PM 1157 Views
he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:19:16 PM 1169 Views
Re: he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:21:49 AM 1230 Views
potentially, but Mesaana later turns up with BA using the 19 stolen ter'angreal. darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:41:41 PM 1136 Views
I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM 1125 Views
Re: I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM 1189 Views
What? fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:19:57 PM 1246 Views
Re: What? Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:20:19 AM 1203 Views
Oh boohoo... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:55:58 PM 1226 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:17 AM 1087 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:18 AM 1212 Views
which only tells us that Nynaeve is equal to the Forsaken. Has nothing to do with Egwene being darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:51:12 PM 1013 Views
Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM 1309 Views
Think about the logic of what you're proposing... Shannow - 10/12/2010 02:39:56 PM 1247 Views
It's what's in the friggin books! darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 03:33:08 PM 1213 Views
Duplicate post - deleted *NM* Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:19:05 PM 603 Views
Re: Yes. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:49:12 PM 1237 Views
You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM 1343 Views
where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1271 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:44:51 PM 977 Views
now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM 1090 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:42:58 PM 1167 Views
all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM 1217 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:59:55 PM 1148 Views
that's the point I'm making darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 12:58:38 AM 1019 Views
I don't think Elayne was forced Zeratul - 12/12/2010 04:33:26 PM 1189 Views
I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:43:29 PM 974 Views
Re: I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:46:50 PM 1219 Views
Thanks for the quote Zeratul - 12/12/2010 07:17:30 PM 1292 Views
perhaps the opportunity hasn't arisen? And of course it's politic to appologize to the Amyrlin darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:41:11 PM 1160 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 08:04:21 PM 1185 Views
that's where I'm estimating Nynaeve being close to Siuan and Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 08:30:54 PM 1175 Views
Re: now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM 1366 Views
nope darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:05:00 PM 1300 Views
Mesaana Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:07 AM 1061 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:48:59 PM 1126 Views
Re: agreed Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:38:28 PM 990 Views
very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:03:43 PM 1075 Views
Re: very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:22:54 AM 1248 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:47:28 PM 1203 Views
Re: You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:19:17 AM 1249 Views
OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels. Shannow - 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM 1136 Views
"clear evidence" moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM 1189 Views
Laughable interpretation... Shannow - 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM 1193 Views
Re: Laughable interpretation... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 03:34:01 PM 1217 Views
Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM 1139 Views
Doesn't the forkroot explain that? *NM* Gher - 10/12/2010 04:47:53 PM 796 Views
couple of thoughts here darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM 1191 Views
Re: couple of thoughts here fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM 1111 Views
that's what I said! EDIT darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM 1013 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM 1212 Views
Katerine is a pain in the ass and Silviana wasn't about to risk only one woman holding that shield darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:26:29 PM 1065 Views
Leane was shielded by two sisters as well sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:14:08 PM 1088 Views
I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 11:22:12 PM 1115 Views
Re: I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 12:04:33 AM 1208 Views
I agree with that completely. darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:03:54 AM 1144 Views
Oh... so we dismiss all quotes from people we don't like? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 05:18:42 AM 1215 Views
re-read the section my friend. EDIT darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM 1118 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM 1084 Views
did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM 1174 Views
Not one of those things answers my rather simple question... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 02:27:44 AM 1178 Views
because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM 1116 Views
She knows but she doesn't know? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 05:35:55 AM 1195 Views
She knows that Nynaeve had told her it dampened her ability darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 05:13:23 PM 1119 Views
And she doesn't know any details... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 07:19:12 PM 1131 Views
this conversation is so pointless darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:43:35 PM 1003 Views
Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:24:24 PM 996 Views
Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. Sidious - 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM 1021 Views
Of course its obvious now! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:44:59 PM 1223 Views
it was always obvious that to me. The first thing Egwene thinks is about what the drug does to her darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:07:38 AM 1071 Views
Shielding Sidious - 13/12/2010 08:01:19 PM 2571 Views
Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:50:09 PM 1163 Views
Re: Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:25:20 AM 1284 Views
There is, actually... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:28:42 PM 1068 Views
Meh Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM 1177 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 04:37:50 AM 1204 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM 1169 Views
Tell Darius that... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:47:19 PM 1105 Views
of course Katerine is redundant! 2 women of Barasine and Katerine's strength darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:00:50 AM 1078 Views
Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM 1305 Views
um, Elayne was in the process of bleeding to death and then had just been Healed darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:50:27 PM 1194 Views
You forget... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 08:02:03 PM 1226 Views
astounding "evidence" darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM 1221 Views
Re: astounding "evidence" The_Archer - 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM 1231 Views
thanks darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM 1367 Views
Re: thanks The_Archer - 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM 1074 Views
We're not in disagreement for the most part darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM 1057 Views
Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part The_Archer - 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM 1166 Views
Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:13:46 PM 1190 Views
Re: Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken The_Archer - 12/12/2010 06:35:02 PM 1153 Views
All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:50:59 PM 1170 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:05:58 PM 1218 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:11:29 PM 1122 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:14:47 PM 1178 Views
I don't get the logic here... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM 1216 Views
which was one of my first thoughts in reading the scene! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:43:54 PM 855 Views
It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM 1154 Views
And...? fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM 1158 Views
Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies. Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM 1075 Views
That was my interpretation too Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM 1128 Views
Re: That was my interpretation too moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:31:12 AM 1264 Views
what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM 1230 Views
The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM 1110 Views
*Double post, please delete* *NM* Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:35:54 PM 696 Views
You are correct! So clearly worry about the babies was not a reason to not draw more darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:05:30 PM 1130 Views
And... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:32:28 PM 1120 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM 1131 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM 1144 Views
and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM 1176 Views
Yes, I did know that. moratcorlm - 11/12/2010 04:06:00 PM 1165 Views
meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM 1219 Views
Oops. *NM* moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 07:15:57 PM 758 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:22:21 PM 1097 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 08:33:25 PM 1157 Views
We have very little to go on with the FS strengths... darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:04:33 PM 1244 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:12:12 PM 1047 Views
they can actually sense both which is how Elayne knows Nynaeve is not at full potential darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:22:35 PM 1202 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:31:13 PM 1234 Views
Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 10:08:16 PM 1114 Views
Re: Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around The_Archer - 10/12/2010 10:50:32 PM 1221 Views
It's more than just fear of Moridin that makes her choose an attack from such a distance darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 11:10:57 PM 1063 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 10:50:20 PM 1208 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:29:30 AM 1365 Views
Help im new! The_Archer - 13/12/2010 07:41:04 PM 1225 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The Angry Druid - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM 1329 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The_Archer - 13/12/2010 10:50:25 PM 1132 Views
How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM* Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM 775 Views
Re: How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? Sidious - 18/12/2010 08:21:24 PM 1079 Views
Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken. Lord Haart - 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM 1098 Views
you misread the topic Sidious - 19/12/2010 05:30:26 AM 1237 Views
But the debate is moronic because... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2010 05:43:07 AM 1097 Views
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